Should (list of bands) Be In The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

[Soror_YZBL]

Without Pixies there would have been no Nirvana or Radiohead, two of the most influential and successful bands of the 90's. Not to mention the countless other artists who have been inspired by the Pixies. I'd say they're influential enough. If the Velvet Underground can be in, then Pixies should definitely be in also.

LOL I think the Greenwoods owned Bossanova, if you can call that an influence. MUCH bigger influence would be the Smiths, and no one is calling for Morrisey to be in the hall of fame. Say the same for the Melvins and Nirvana, who were much bigger of an influence on Kurt Cobain. And honestly, I don't hear the surf influence in either Radiohead or Nirvana that the Pixies are most famous for.

Your opinion is a ****ing joke. You said "no" to Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden, Boston, Journey, and STP, but you said "yes" to Judas Priest, Nine Inch Nails, Heart, Green Day and the Beastie Boys? I'd love to see you explain this, especially why Alice Cooper shouldn't be in...

Also, for the record, I don't see why Motley Crue should ever be inducted. They're my favorite band behind Maiden, Sabbath and Rush, but they don't really deserve it.

It's not an opinion, really, it's more based on knowing who gets into the hall of fame. Alice Cooper is musical theatre, do you want to induct Andrew Lloyd Webber too? Plus he pretty much had 2 good albums at the beginning of his career and then created worthless **** for the next 30 years. He's pushing it, though. He did make Love it to Death and Welcome to my Nightmare, true, but he also made Special Forces (yikes!) and Trash (Which had the best review I had ever read in one major music rag - simply the word "Garbage").

Iron Maiden's way too niche. The hall of fame doesn't do niche, which is why the Cure isn't in there. Boston is ostensibly a one hit wonder (which is not entirely true, but they could never match the success of their debut, unless you want to count Amanda). Journey's might get in, as well, but they don't deserve it, considering they don't have an original bone in their collective bodies. Journey is what happened when the 70's hit machine put Styx, Foreigner, Boston, and the Babies in a blender and squeezed out the most banal arena rock imaginable. Not to say they didn't write a few classic songs here and there, but 90% of Journey is crap. STP won't get in because they're not innovative, either. They're actually much better (and much more original) than they're given credit for, but history will forever remember them as "the grunge band that wasn't from Seattle".

NIN will get in because they brought electronic rock to the mainstream. Before them, we had depeche mode and the human league and soft cell - not exactly "rock". NIN brought the rock, and that's enough to get them in. I'm not a huge fan, but I can respect them for their contribution. Ditto Green Day and punk. Before them, punk was feared and hated by the mainstream. They also had a lot of hit songs (counts a lot in the hall of fame, ask the Eagles) and at least one amazing record. As for Heart, they inspired a generation of women - myself included - to pick up a guitar and rock out. I also really don't understand your objection to the Beastie Boys. You do realize that if it weren't for those three Jewish kids rapping over Led Zeppelin beats, Hip Hop would never have gotten the mainstream recognition it has. License to Ill was the first rap album to hit #1, and they've had a steady string of acclaimed albums and hit songs ever since. They're way to influential to not get in.

Now Judas Priest, that one's a toughie. It was really a toss-up between Priest and Maiden, and Priest is more well known, and Halford is a better vocalist (and an infinitely better lyricist). Maiden has better musicians, true, but that can get in the way of making good music, imho. I tend to say Priest is a better band, but being good has nothing to do with being in the Hall of Fame (just ask the Eagles!)

EDIT: I forgot Crue! The reason they deserve to be in is because in Hollywood in the 80's, everyone wanted to sound like Motley Crue, but no one could. Now personally, I think they should be drawn and quartered for inspiring the likes of Winger, but I'm giving them a pass for just about every other 80's hair metal band that ripped off their sound and look.

[JerryBrudos]

Judas Priest was the first band to use the dual Lead Guitar setup and was one of the very first Metal bands.

First use of dual lead in a heavy metal band that is. Wishbone Ash and the Allman Bros are usually credited with the first use I believe. But I do agree saying they should be left out is a large mistake.

[Ultimatum]

JP was formed all the way back in 67.

Credited with being the first Speed Metal band too.

[Alright_Computer]

LOL I think the Greenwoods owned Bossanova, if you can call that an influence. MUCH bigger influence would be the Smiths, and no one is calling for Morrisey to be in the hall of fame. Say the same for the Melvins and Nirvana, who were much bigger of an influence on Kurt Cobain. And honestly, I don't hear the surf influence in either Radiohead or Nirvana that the Pixies are most famous for.

This is a paraphrase, but Thom Yorke refused to let the Pixies open for Radiohead at a festival, saying that it was like the Beatles opening for them. I'd consider that to mean they were very influential to Radiohead. Plus Smells Like Teen Spirit, which brought grunge to the mainstream, was said to by Cobain to be him ripping off the Pixies, or something. While the Smiths and the Melvins may have been more influential to each band respectively, I'd say Pixies are up there too.

And just as a side note, I'd love for Morrissey to be in the Hall of Fame.

[MronoC]

It's a crime that Judas Priest, Rush, and Alice Cooper aren't in yet. Also, they need to get Iron Maiden, Bad Brains, and the MC5 in their. Hell they don't even have Screamin' Jay Hawkins or Howlin' Wolf in yet.

[Spirit]

Iron Maiden's way too niche. The hall of fame doesn't do niche, which is why the Cure isn't in there.

The mere fact that you called Iron Maiden "niche" is warrant for the immediate dismissal of any opinion you have. Sorry.

Slayer are more niche than Maiden, and yet slayer are still huge enough and influential enough to be put in the hall of fame.

I think the real way of telling is- if you asked people who don't like metal if they've heard of Iron Maiden, 90% of them would say yes. The same may not be true for Slayer, and definitely wouldn't be true for Nine inch nails.

Oh, and I think Morissey and The Smiths should definitely go in the Hall of Fame.


Or maybe Maiden and Morrissey are just bigger ledgends over here in the UK than in the US.

but still, on a level of "legendary rockers" to put in Hall of Fame, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden and Slayer should go in waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Heart or Greenday.

[GNRrockslife]

It's a crime that Judas Priest, Rush, and Alice Cooper aren't in yet. Also, they need to get Iron Maiden, Bad Brains, and the MC5 in their. Hell they don't even have Screamin' Jay Hawkins or Howlin' Wolf in yet.

Bad Brains deserve it, but you're fooling yourself if you think we'll ever see any punk besides the bare minimum. We've got The Ramones, The Clash (Who I still don't conisder punk, but whatever, just for the sake of argument), and the Sex Pistols (In theory). That's probably all we'll ever see. There's really about 6 more that truly deserve it; Bad Brains (One of the foremost reggae bands in addition to their influence on the hardcore scene of the 80's), Black Flag (First hardcore band, case rested), Dead Kennedys (First political band), DOA (First use of the term "hardcore"), Misfits (Legends, duh), and Bad Religion (See "Misfits"). In all likeliness, if anny of these 6 ever get in, I can't see it being more than Black Flag and the DK's. They're the only hardcore bands that really made a name for themselves

[Soror_YZBL]

The mere fact that you called Iron Maiden "niche" is warrant for the immediate dismissal of any opinion you have. Sorry.

LOL you're just being a dick now, dicky dick.

Slayer are more niche than Maiden, and yet slayer are still huge enough and influential enough to be put in the hall of fame.

No they're not. They're Niche, and as you've said, more niche than iron maiden. The only speed metal band that will ever be in the rock and roll hall of fame is metallica. Slayer inspired a generation of metalheads, true, but this is the rock and roll hall of fame, not the metal hall of fame. Slayer won't get in because only a small number of people get in every year, and there are much more deserving and more influential acts than Slayer (and Maiden, for that matter)

I think the real way of telling is- if you asked people who don't like metal if they've heard of Iron Maiden, 90% of them would say yes. The same may not be true for Slayer, and definitely wouldn't be true for Nine inch nails.

Simply knowing that a band exists isn't enough to get someone inducted to the hall of fame. Most people have heard of the New Kids on the Block, but I doubt they'll be in the hall of fame any time soon.

Oh, and I think Morissey and The Smiths should definitely go in the Hall of Fame. Or maybe Maiden and Morrissey are just bigger ledgends over here in the UK than in the US.

Me too. Maybe just the Smiths, as Moz's solo career has been spotty, but I truly believe that if there were more brits on the committee. A friend of mine from Ireland was really upset because he thought that Oasis would get in. Unfortunately, the R&R Hall of Fame is mostly an american institution filled with americans. A Brit has to make a huge impact over here to be considered. So does an american, true, but an American artist with a mostly American audience (i.e. James Taylor, who had much greater success here than anywhere else) will get in, while a British act with a mostly british audience (Genesis, Yes, Marillion, most every prog rock band) won't. It sucks, I'd rather see Peter Gabriel get inducted than James freaking Taylor.

but still, on a level of "legendary rockers" to put in Hall of Fame, Alice Cooper, Iron Maiden and Slayer should go in waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Heart or Greenday.

They will for green day, but I dunno about heart. Maybe it's a chick thing, but Heart was so inspirational. I dunno, it's a bit past their chance, they may not get in, but I'm pulling for them. They may suffer the same fate that Genesis did, only falling to the Hall of Fame's sexism rather than nationalism. There's not a single woman in the hall of fame aside from maybe Bonnie Raitt and Patti Smith that isn't a glorified do-wop girl.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Bad Brains deserve it, but you're fooling yourself if you think we'll ever see any punk besides the bare minimum. We've got The Ramones, The Clash (Who I still don't conisder punk, but whatever, just for the sake of argument), and the Sex Pistols (In theory).

What about The Kinks, The Who, and The Velvet Underground? We might get the Stooges this year too.

Here's a list of everyone in the hall.
Muddy Waters and B.B. King shouldn't be in as performers, but as early influences.

[Ultimatum]

but this is the rock and roll hall of fame, not the metal hall of fame.

How the hell do you explain Madonna?

That argument is as weak as the "But, it's called Rock Band." argument.