RB3 Request a Feature, Bug Report and Suggestion Thread (no song requests)

[SirDavidTLynch]

(and IMO would have sold significant less well had they not required buying it to play new DLC--they can't get away with that again).

Sure they can. Every other video game series does.

I don't get it. Why do you crap on my ideas?

Because most of the ideas act like minor aesthetic issues most people don't care about (or even like) single-handedly ruin the game. Regarding that particular one, it seems to amount to making the crowd meter longer, in which case it would make more sense to for the meter to drop slower (such as at the RB2 rate).

If you want to make it more realistic, you would fail out for missing just a few notes early on, but when you become bigger than Jesus the audience wouldn't care about the worst performances. But while that would make it more realistic, it would make for awful game design to make the early parts very difficult and the later parts super easy.

[lvmathemagician]

If you want to make it more realistic, you would fail out for missing just a few notes early on, but when you become bigger than Jesus the audience wouldn't care about the worst performances.

I've lost count of the number of shows where they've screwed up the song. David Lee Roth comes to mind. However, I've never seen a band just quit in the middle of a song. Quite possibly, the idea of failing a song is unrealistic.

[lvmathemagician]

Exactly - the new direction might mean changing these fundamental mechanics.

And it works fine in the context of a rhythm game. It falls apart in the context of a band simulator.

This change really wouldn't be a new direction, it just be a tweak. The only problem is, the tweak may take too many man hours to justify. As HMX has only a finite number of man hours to make the next version of RB, they are looking for how to get the most use of those hours. Tweaks are like you describe are generally low priority. Actual changes and new features have the highest priority. Nobody wants RB4 to just be tweaks of RB3.

[folkeye]

I didn't say it was a good one. RB2 was a better band simulator. But RB3 can claim to be a band simulator due to the inclusion of a tour. A music simulator has no need for a tour, while a band simulator does.

Did you read my post properly

And yeah, I get what you're saying there.

... Nobody wants RB4 to just be tweaks of RB3.

Very true. That'd end any future RB interest for sure for me.

[TheHundredDollarHeadache]

Because most of the ideas act like minor aesthetic issues most people don't care about (or even like) single-handedly ruin the game.

I see it as death by a thousand cuts.

Animations: 500 cuts(' worth)
Other character/background issues: 240 cuts
Career: 150 cuts
Ambient noise (menu plane roar, drum freestyle cheering): 30 cuts
Other aesthetics (font, trainer mistake notification): 30 cuts
Leaderboard quibbles: 30 cuts
Other (non-saving modifiers): 20 cuts

And really, I'd be hurting pretty badly after one cut. Rock Band 4 could take about a hundred pretty well.

Regarding that particular one, it seems to amount to making the crowd meter longer, in which case it would make more sense to for the meter to drop slower (such as at the RB2 rate).

If you want to make it more realistic, you would fail out for missing just a few notes early on, but when you become bigger than Jesus the audience wouldn't care about the worst performances. But while that would make it more realistic, it would make for awful game design to make the early parts very difficult and the later parts super easy.

You just described another one of my suggestions. Reposted with a few changes:

Starting out, you have the tougher RB3 crowd, and playing bigger venues starts you in the yellow. Once you get the bus, the crowd is less fussy, like RB2's, and big venues start you in the green. Sometime late in the game, you unlock the ability to turn on No-Fail.

To balance the difficulty in the early stage, you just keep playing the local dives and clubs with your van until you get your big break (and the bus). Originally, I suggested a bad ending at this stage, but scrapped it because it falls into "awful game design".

To balance the difficulty of the endgame, if you have No-Fail on, you will start losing fans for 2-star averages at gigs (big venues will be less forgiving, causing fan loss at a 3-star average), and album recording (based on the Tech FC) will be a new way to gain or lose fans.

I've lost count of the number of shows where they've screwed up the song. David Lee Roth comes to mind. However, I've never seen a band just quit in the middle of a song. Quite possibly, the idea of failing a song is unrealistic.

Here's an example with Trivium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tFQV8Rprlg

Even then, it was because the singer's guitar broke. They laugh it off, a roadie brings a backup guitar, and then launch into "Peace Sells". No disgruntled fans here.

If the real world worked like Rock Band 2, they'd be forced to either restart on "Hell's Bells" or leave the gig, either way leaving disgruntled fans who then later refuse to buy the Trivium song for DLC that came out a while back.

This change really wouldn't be a new direction, it just be a tweak.

The tweaks may be small, but they still point towards the new direction.

Without the sea changes (new tour), however, the tweaks (new fail-out method for tour) mean nothing.

[SenseiLeRoof]

I've lost count of the number of shows where they've screwed up the song. David Lee Roth comes to mind. However, I've never seen a band just quit in the middle of a song. Quite possibly, the idea of failing a song is unrealistic.

This could be worked into a usable concept. I see fans leaving and demanding refunds if your performance goes red, possibly resulting in you losing money for a bad enough gig.

[TheHundredDollarHeadache]

This could be worked into a usable concept. I see fans leaving and demanding refunds if your performance goes red, possibly resulting in you losing money for a bad enough gig.

Refunds was another idea I've been suggesting for a while. You could take the money and run, or you could do the right thing and refund them. You would also be able to ditch a gig without losing fans if you refunded them.

Maybe a special gig in the storyline could cause this (it would be scripted for you to fail out, maybe an outdoor festival and you get rained on hard), and it would affect the ending you get.


Star totals for gigs should be RB2 BotB style, where the exact star rating is added in without truncating.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

This could be worked into a usable concept. I see fans leaving and demanding refunds if your performance goes red, possibly resulting in you losing money for a bad enough gig.

Sure, until you realize the venue collects the ticket money, and in the Rock Band universe, you don't see a dime 'til after the show, so how exactly can you lose money? You didn't personally charge anything, nor would that 'lose you money', at worst, you'd break even refunding 100% of the tickets.

[TheHundredDollarHeadache]

Maybe there would be a fee for booking/renting/whatever-ing the venue or something. You would get paid more per show to make up for this. If you refund the fans, then you've lost money (that fee) playing the gig.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Why would a dive bar ever charge a no-name band to appear?