Cheating or not?

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Since I didn't grasp it right away (after about ten minutes of trying to figure it out from that thread) I just decided to OD to the best of my abilities (which are meager) and make do.

Ten minutes? Activate as late as possible within a window where you can still hit whatever note is in the hitbox(even easier on keys since your two hands are separated), and then hit the last note as early as possible to get it right before OD runs out.

And then look for specifics on if there's anything you shouldn't whammy.

[skyp1e]

Ten minutes? Activate as late as possible within a window where you can still hit whatever note is in the hitbox(even easier on keys since your two hands are separated), and then hit the last note as early as possible to get it right before OD runs out.

And then look for specifics on if there's anything you shouldn't whammy.

What I was talking about are these "paths" that they use. It has a nomenclature and graphics devoted to it that for me isn't intuitive. A sort of roadmap to the best possible time to hit OD in any given song (provided you haven't broken your streak).

I never understood it so I don't bother with it. I just try to get as many notes to be 8x as I can using instincts to do it.

[bth3571]

didn't know there were paths but i do have 430 1st place songs on x drums. 2nd sucks and i like bunnies.

[BohemianMatt]

I have at least three #1s on bass, one #1 on guitar and many #2s. I've never looked up a path online. What I did do however, is play the song a couple times and find my own best path. Yeesh.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

didn't know there were paths but i do have 430 1st place songs on x drums. 2nd sucks and i like bunnies.

Man, you named those 430 pretty quickly. I blinked and whoosh.

[Redskinsrock2689]

Everyone that is better than you is cheating, obviously.

[HMXLachesis]

This reminds me of playing Magic: the Gathering.

In Magic, getting a deck design off the Internet instead of building a design yourself is sometimes referred to as a "netdeck". At major tournaments, most decks fall into a few archetypes - what those archetypes are varies wildly from year to year, but you can expect to see certain decks show up each time.

With rare exception, some form of netdeck wins a tournament (and, since major decks are published at tournaments, those decks wind up on the Internet later, so they transform into net decks if they do well enough.)

Some people like using netdecks because crowdsourcing is way more sensible than trying to invent the wheel. Some people hate them because they don't reflect the player's personal creativity and initiative.

My opinion varies. If you bring a polished UB control netdeck to splatter your cousin who's just learning to play for the first time, then you're a jerk. If you bring a polished UB control netdeck to a tournament and pull off first place, then you're sensible and skilled.

But, with rare exception, we're not playing in formalized Rock Band tournaments. The tournament is constant and eternal and it takes place every time we're hooked up to the Internet and our scores are being recorded.

So, in conclusion:

You want to bring a netdeck - er, ScoreHero path - to a session of Rock Band? Go ahead; it's your right. But if you pull it out while we're playing casually at my house, then I'm kicking you out of the living room.

[Der_Lex]

This reminds me of playing Magic: the Gathering.

In Magic, getting a deck design off the Internet instead of building a design yourself is sometimes referred to as a "netdeck". At major tournaments, most decks fall into a few archetypes - what those archetypes are varies wildly from year to year, but you can expect to see certain decks show up each time.

With rare exception, some form of netdeck wins a tournament (and, since major decks are published at tournaments, those decks wind up on the Internet later, so they transform into net decks if they do well enough.)

Some people like using netdecks because crowdsourcing is way more sensible than trying to invent the wheel. Some people hate them because they don't reflect the player's personal creativity and initiative.

My opinion varies. If you bring a polished UB control netdeck to splatter your cousin who's just learning to play for the first time, then you're a jerk. If you bring a polished UB control netdeck to a tournament and pull off first place, then you're sensible and skilled.

But, with rare exception, we're not playing in formalized Rock Band tournaments. The tournament is constant and eternal and it takes place every time we're hooked up to the Internet and our scores are being recorded.

So, in conclusion:

You want to bring a netdeck - er, ScoreHero path - to a session of Rock Band? Go ahead; it's your right. But if you pull it out while we're playing casually at my house, then I'm kicking you out of the living room.

This is one of the best and geekiest comparisons I've seen on this forum in a while. I doff my cap to you, good lady.

It's no longer on the first page right now, but you should really post in the M:TG thread in the Less Talk, More Rokk section sometime.


One important difference between netdecking in M:TG and pathing in RB, though, is that there's still a considerable amount of physical skill involved in RB. All the optimal OD paths in the world won't get you the best score if you don't hit all the notes and if your timing is off even the slightest bit. So you need to have players of completely equal skill levels before paths even start to matter, and even then the playing field is pretty level if the paths are public knowledge, so I don't think it's cheating, per se (ie: there is no real unfair advantage for anyone that isn't easily available to everyone else).

I'm not somebody who plays for high scores, though, I'm only in the top 10 on pro keys for PS3 RBN songs that nobody bought, so my opinion on this might be a bit more casual as well.

[tati81]

I just play and see what happen!

[peterock2007]

One important difference between netdecking in M:TG and pathing in RB, though, is that there's still a considerable amount of physical skill involved in RB. All the optimal OD paths in the world won't get you the best score if you don't hit all the notes and if your timing is off even the slightest bit.

This. Knowing there is an insane squeeze after the third od activation and being able to actually hit that squeeze are not the same things. That's why scorehero's squeeze paths used to(maybe they still do been a long time since I looked up Paths.) showed various squeeze paths.

The last path I looked up had a very nonintuitive path, and I just couldn't see how I was still 1k off the top score. You may think I was cheating for looking up the path, but some people out there think I was cheating for squeezing in the first place. I'm sure somebody like Cipher thinks I'm cheating because I wasn't playing paramore, and I'm even more sure someone thinks I was cheating because I wasn't complaining about the animations while playing the song. But in the end I don't care what any of them think.