New TV, Cannot get vocals right at all :(

[pixie126]

Attempted to calibrate using their on screen tests. This involves for Audio hearing drum taps and hitting strum on the guitar. This ended up with a value of 156 ms.
The video is watching a needle go from left to right and strumming when they hit their extremes. This ended up with 191 ms.
I attempted to play an apprentice song, using the bass on easy, but managed to fail as I could not get the strumming correct. I just couldn't get it to match up.
These numbers seem ridiculous. But this is what the game is giving me. After those, the numbers 75 and 60 don't seem too bad.

[Alternity]

I'm not talking about this kind of calibrating, but calibrating manually, trying numbers for video, turn off sound on your tv, try to play with you eyes only, untill you find the right numbers, then add sound and do the same, but with your ears only...

From a wild guess, I'd say 25-50ms video and 10-30ms audio should be your numbers, but every TV is unique. If you only you lived in my area, I'd go calibrate it for you, I've done calibration so many times it doesn't take me long. lol

[pixie126]

Well, I could get the video to 30 using my pathetic bass skills.
My husband is doing the audio as I cannot guesstimate sound without seeing the notes.
We so far have it set at 110 for the audio. He seems to like that so far. He is trying more and more difficult songs to see how they feel.


Ack, he is playing Greatful Dead now....but he is not screaming so I guess it is going ok. I figure we will just calibrate it to him as he plays on expert and I could care less about it. Hard is good enough for my vocals.

[Alternity]

As I'v said before, a calibration that is not optimal might be playable for instruments, but for vocals.. its another story, have you tryed plaing without looking at the screen at all (like a karaoke, on a song you know) and see if it works? That on trying performance mode on vocals, when you know the song it's not that hard, and you can see if you can actually use sound instead of video, I, personally, don't care if video isn't calibrated correctly, as long as sound is good, but a lot of my friends (I am experienced player and they're not) can't play if the video isn't calibrated properly.

[nuttzo31]

What you seem to not understand is the guitar, bass, and keys (in the case of RB3), and easily played out of sync compared to vocals, and I speak by experience, if you're really using the TV's speakers and affirming that your settings on the calibration are at 75ms for audio, there's a problem, I don't think it's possible, I can assure you, it's a problem with your calibration, and the best way to calibrate RB (or GH), is with an instrument, not with vocals, as I explained earlier.

What experience are you talking of? You can't play guitar,bass or keys out of sync and the auto calibration for video relies on a series of flashes that the "eye" of the auto calibration picks up on. If you tap the controller button to calibrate the vocals then the vocals should be calibrated but i guess that there is another issue here? 75ms for audio seems to be a audio processing issue maybe? Comb through the settings of your tv or like i said try rerouting the audio and see if that helps.

[pixie126]

I will try my vocals tomorrow maybe.
I can try to see what will happen if I attempt to freestyle the vocals.
I have my husband doing it now as he tends to play the guitar using his eyes less than I do.
Too many years of reading sheet music, you put something resembling it in front of me and I will try to read it...

[Alternity]

What experience are you talking of? You can't play guitar,bass or keys out of sync and the auto calibration for video relies on a series of flashes that the "eye" of the auto calibration picks up on. If you tap the controller button to calibrate the vocals then the vocals should be calibrated but i guess that there is another issue here? 75ms for audio seems to be a audio processing issue maybe? Comb through the settings of your tv or like i said try rerouting the audio and see if that helps.

As I've seen with my casual players friends, they are usually unsuccessful calibrating the ''normal'' way (using the calibration system of the game), simply because they aren't tight enough with the rythm. This is my experience, alot of people who thinks their game are calibrated correctly, then I come to their house, and play a song and notice that everything is wrong, I do it myself and then everything works fine. It's really all about it. Nothing personal, not trying to insult anyone, but this is usally the case.

[Alternity]

I will try my vocals tomorrow maybe.
I can try to see what will happen if I attempt to freestyle the vocals.
I have my husband doing it now as he tends to play the guitar using his eyes less than I do.
Too many years of reading sheet music, you put something resembling it in front of me and I will try to read it...

You can't play without reading (unless you know the part by heart), what I mean by playing with sound is not trying to hit when the note is at the place where it should be hitted, but instead using the sound to know when to hit the note, using the rythm, the beat...

Kinda hard to explain the concept of the timing window.. lol

[Icemage]

Attempted to calibrate using their on screen tests. This involves for Audio hearing drum taps and hitting strum on the guitar. This ended up with a value of 156 ms.
The video is watching a needle go from left to right and strumming when they hit their extremes. This ended up with 191 ms.
I attempted to play an apprentice song, using the bass on easy, but managed to fail as I could not get the strumming correct. I just couldn't get it to match up.
These numbers seem ridiculous. But this is what the game is giving me. After those, the numbers 75 and 60 don't seem too bad.

What? You shouldn't be getting 170+ms lag times in Game Mode, not even on the worst of TVs.

Without game mode, yes, you might see 200ms or so in a worst case scenario.

Are you sure you've enabled Game Mode properly?

Also, you mentioned you're using a Sharp Aquos LED TV, but not what specific model number. A Google search came up with this interesting information on what you might try setting your TV to (assuming it has similar menus):

http://www.seasonedgamers.com/forums...howtopic=79855

EDIT: I'm guessing that neither you nor your husband plays on Expert difficulty on any instrument aside from vocals, or you wouldn't be getting such a huge gap in calibration numbers. Do you know someone who actually has a good sense of timing who can help you calibrate?

[pixie126]

Well, we have the audio set at 120. My husband likes it for his playing guitar on expert. I was able to 98% (hard) in training mode a song I can sing with my eyes closed. The only problem came with the tambourine taps, but eh....if I have to try a little harder with those so be it.
We will have to see how we like it when playing together.

I also took the TV off game mode. The brightness was irritating my eyes so I went to movie mode which is what we usually watch.

Just an fyi the TV is officially a Sharp Aquos LC-60LE640OU. Had to search for that on the back of the tv.
Thanks for all the info! It was very nice of you all!