The Progressive Thread

[Fizzeler]

If you're at all interested in zeuhl, though, I recommend giving the new Xing Sa album a listen to (at the very least, check their Myspace page).

Hmm I'll check this out, Zeuhl is amazing

problem with prog metal is outside of a few bands, there aren't a ton of great bands out there, and there are a ****load of FW copycats

True, but occasionally you do get the Scale The Summits and Pain Of Salvations in the genre

Also, you forgot Kamelot copycats

Yeah, that's true... most are either transplants from power metal or are copycats of either Fates Warning or Dream Theater (as much as I like the album, you can pretty much take any song off of Circus Maximus' "The 1st Chapter" and pick out what Dream Theater song inspired it).

Several Progressive Post-Metal bands are pretty awesome and don't fit either descriptions

Also, Prog. Sludge metal is another interesting genre starting to emerge

If you were to call Far Cry prog, you'd probably have to call most of A Perfect Circle's catalog prog as well. It's a very conventionally-written song with slightly non-standard rhythmic devices. Plain and simple, it's a radio single.

Then again, yes, they do have some songs that have a more progressive bent to them. Off of their most recent album, The Larger Bowl is a great example of this. But, for the most part, Rush anymore stays not far from conventional time signatures (4/4 and 6/8 being the most common) and standard pop music song structure (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus-coda).

If you wanted some semblance of saving your argument, you could've just said that Snakes & Arrows is arguably their most progressive album post-Moving Pictures. I'll buy that. It's still difficult to even say that it is more than a couple of more progressive songs on top of a bunch of radio-friendly material, though.

Agreed

If Rush are pioneers of the genre then what genre is The Moody Blues, pretty sure they were playing Prog. Rock before Rush

[killer_roach]

The Moody Blues are an interesting point on the continuum, since they're one of the few early prog bands without an obvious psychedelia influence. But yeah, you have to point out a lot of the proto-prog and psychedelic rock bands as pioneers of prog as well.

[a21schizoidman]

yeah, by calling rush a pioneer of anything, esp. prog, you basically shun Zappa, The Nice, King Crimson, Atomic Rooster, Beefheart, Soft Machine (well,pretty much the entire Canterbury Scene), Jethro Tull, VDGG, any tons of other early contributors to prog who not only did more for the genre, but were more influential


they also were better than rush

[Nathaniel607]

just pointing out that DT is one of those bands people think are extremely progressive due to their "technical skill" but really aren't very progressive at all

No, this is silly.

Check it;

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/...guitar_pro.htm

DT seem to get a lot of shtick purely because, at least as far as I can tell, they are popular-ish. And prog isn't allowed to be popular-ish.

Not only does this song have the time signatures, but also the more subtle things - the scale changes, constant chord changes, style changes (ragtime solo). Also, it is "progressive" in the literal sense of the word - it doesn't go verse-chorus-verse etc, it's evolves and changes throughout the entire song.

For me, sometimes it can be hard/impossible to say what is prog and what is not. To me, prog seems more like a quality of the music rather than a particular style. Any genre can "be prog"... it gets confusing. Sometimes I wonder wether we should really call stuff "prog" or instead, just call, for example, Rush would be heavy rock that is pretty proggy, and Dream Theater would be metal that is proggy, etc. Jethro Tull would be Folk Rock that is proggy etc.

But Dream Theater are definitely pretty damn proggy. Sure, there is proggier out there, but there always is.

One of my favourite recent-ish albums is The Underfall Yard by Big Big Train. You can listen to the title track on their website for free and boy is it amazing.

[killer_roach]

One of my favourite recent-ish albums is The Underfall Yard by Big Big Train. You can listen to the title track on their website for free and boy is it amazing.

That is a great album. One of my recent favorites.

[Fizzeler]

But Dream Theater are definitely pretty damn proggy. Sure, there is proggier out there, but there always is.

No one said they weren't they are just given more praise than they deserve and are considered masters of Prog.

[a21schizoidman]

No, this is silly.

Check it;

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/...guitar_pro.htm

DT seem to get a lot of shtick purely because, at least as far as I can tell, they are popular-ish. And prog isn't allowed to be popular-ish.

Not only does this song have the time signatures, but also the more subtle things - the scale changes, constant chord changes, style changes (ragtime solo). Also, it is "progressive" in the literal sense of the word - it doesn't go verse-chorus-verse etc, it's evolves and changes throughout the entire song.

For me, sometimes it can be hard/impossible to say what is prog and what is not. To me, prog seems more like a quality of the music rather than a particular style. Any genre can "be prog"... it gets confusing. Sometimes I wonder wether we should really call stuff "prog" or instead, just call, for example, Rush would be heavy rock that is pretty proggy, and Dream Theater would be metal that is proggy, etc. Jethro Tull would be Folk Rock that is proggy etc.

But Dream Theater are definitely pretty damn proggy. Sure, there is proggier out there, but there always is.

you again, are mixing up technical skill with being progressive

[Der_Lex]

I don't think this has been posted in here yet, but here's a video of Arjen Lucassen talking about the new Star One album that's due in October, and there's an album art reveal at the end with a little teaser of the music. It sounds quite awesome so far.

[a21schizoidman]

I don't think this has been posted in here yet, but here's a video of Arjen Lucassen talking about the new Star One album that's due in October, and there's an album art reveal at the end with a little teaser of the music. It sounds quite awesome so far.

yeah, Fizz posted it in RCOYO, tis quite awesome and i'm super excited for it

[Fizzeler]

I don't think this has been posted in here yet, but here's a video of Arjen Lucassen talking about the new Star One album that's due in October, and there's an album art reveal at the end with a little teaser of the music. It sounds quite awesome so far.

Instant pre-order for me