What do you consider metal?

[Phrank-E]

AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.

You watch too much VH1.

[RiffMeister]

even some beatles can be hard rock(helter skelter)

Si.... and "Carry That Weight"

[Akaymay]

Being an AC/DC fanatic, I consider them Hard Rock. AC/DC considers themselves Rock and Roll, but they're Hard Rock. I always see music TV shows portraying them both as Heavy Metal. Hell, even on VH1 Classic, they Put Van Halen and AC/DC in Metal Mania. I dont understand it. I guess it considered Heavy Metal in the 80's.

[fragpirate]

those bands are ********* compared to real metal

damn right.

metal is heavy, fast, low, and just flat out evil.
you know metal when you hear metal.

[fragpirate]

Genres change over time so they're both. Used to be Heavy Metal back then now they consider it Hard Rock because of the heavier bands out now.

there were heavier bands out back then

slayer came out in the early 80s and i KNOW that your not gonna tell me that ac/dc is heavier than slayer... thats just rediculous.
also there was venom, the first death metal band (imo)

[whofan]

Heavy Metal began with Black Sabbath and ended with the explosion of Grunge in the early 90's.

Anything before or after does not qualify as heavy metal. Of course, Metal still goes on in the form of Speed, Thrash, Death, etc. But heavy metal itself is dead with a few exceptions (Namely the newest Judas Priest album "Angel Of Retribution", which harkens back to the good days when Metal meant something)

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Well consider both those bands dont even rock at all, I consider them **** rock.

Snap crackle pop!

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Once, they could have been heavy metal, before heavy metal set itself apart by doing other things. I think this mostly started with Judas Priest.

Now, they are definitely not heavy metal, but considered very influential. I mean, Van Halen's virtuosity is like porn to any Metal shredder.

And AC/DC is very influential too. I would guess they would have been influential in what we now consider heavy or traditional Metal (within Metal, heavy Metal is its own subgenre, rather than the name of the whole genre).

And for those ignorants out there....Van Halen began before the whole hair band thing. They BECAME a hair band. They didnt start out like one at all exactly (sure, Roth had voluminous hair, but...). Besides, you have to be mentally sick to compare them to Poison or Motley Crue.

If you dont like AC/DC.....I dont whats wrong with you, seriously.

[BarryC]

I consider them almost Classic Rock to Hard Rock (if that).

Metal is a totally different genre.

I realize, at the time they formed it was considered Metal, but not anymore.

Metal is just a sub-genre of Rock which is a sub-genre of the Blues.

[tmanrocks]

Pantera was metal-ish. It didn't have the speed or intensty

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If you think that lacks speed and intensity you are ******ed trent.

Listen to the whole thing , not like 5 seconds.