Grunge Clear-Up

[Lolicat]

I do not like the term alternative rock as a genre either. To me alternative rock is a radio format (like classic rock or oldies) and not a genre in of itself (Pixies fans will disagree with me). But the term is more broad than broad itself.

As for country music its always been stupidly popular and by redneck you must mean teenage girl, as they historically have contributed to the success of pretty boys.

Alternative rock is a genre, but grunge is not a part of alt. rock. Then again, I am a Pixies fan. I'm totally on your side for everything else however, grunge may have been co-opted by the Dark Forces of Big Capitalism, but it was a scene of its own that existed long before the pollutant of MTV.

[warthogdb]

As for country music its always been stupidly popular and by redneck you must mean teenage girl, as they historically have contributed to the success of pretty boys.

That is why something needed to overthrow hair metal. It went from being rebellious disenfranchised youth music to parents taking their 13 year old daughters to Bon Jovi concerts. That coupled with the infusion of the shredders who played music to show off their technical skill. It's death was inevitable. Grunge made kids feel like more a part of the scene when it simplified the fashion and the music.

There have been similar times in history. Take the sixties. After exciting simple blues music evolved into rock operas and Sgt Peppers, the garage band movement gained momentum. In the 70s when rock turned into stadiums and self indulgent twenty minute solos, punk rock was born. Coming out of the 90s when grunge and punk had evolved into pretty boys playing commercially slick alternative music that teenage girls liked, there was another garage movement.

As for my half joking statement about Garth Brooks, his style of country propelled the genre to heights it had never achieved before and I think that hair metal's death was necessary for this to take place. I think there is evidence found in Bon Jovi and Brett Michaels pandering to the country crowds in recent years. So, in a way, Nirvana cleared the path for commercial country.

[Highlandlassie1]

All of this is in your not-so-humble opinion.

Give me what you would probably call "Post-Grunge" any day over any grunge music.

I call it Rock and Roll.

"Post-Grunge" as you call it is an attempt, and in some cases a good one, to give us music that is most like rock and roll from days past, but with better production and new riffs.

Grunge killed real rock and roll, "Post-Grunge" is trying (and succeeding with me), to bring it back to life.

Of course at 46 years of age, I suppose that my views will be radically different than most on this youth-ruled forum.

[My name is Fez]

A bit abrasive and sloppy definition there, OP. But you are trying.

QFT.

Could you not have made the point in a more concise and clear manner without resorting to repitition and caps lock? I mean, I'm pretty sure most people in this forum 'got' your point already, without the pedantary of your post.

Also QFT.

[MronoC]

All of this is in your not-so-humble opinion.

Give me what you would probably call "Post-Grunge" any day over any grunge music.

I call it Rock and Roll.

"Post-Grunge" as you call it is an attempt, and in some cases a good one, to give us music that is most like rock and roll from days past, but with better production and new riffs.

Grunge killed real rock and roll, "Post-Grunge" is trying (and succeeding with me), to bring it back to life.

Of course at 46 years of age, I suppose that my views will be radically different than most on this youth-ruled forum.

Age isn't a factor, post-grunge is just bad.

my apinyun is grater then urs ()

[Alright_Computer]

All of this is in your not-so-humble opinion.

Give me what you would probably call "Post-Grunge" any day over any grunge music.

I call it Rock and Roll.

"Post-Grunge" as you call it is an attempt, and in some cases a good one, to give us music that is most like rock and roll from days past, but with better production and new riffs.

Grunge killed real rock and roll, "Post-Grunge" is trying (and succeeding with me), to bring it back to life.

Of course at 46 years of age, I suppose that my views will be radically different than most on this youth-ruled forum.

If post-grunge is bringing rock and roll back to life, then we should put it out of its misery before I hear another Nickelback song.

(IMO of course)

[HeyRiles]

Wait, so I actually dislike alternative rock, metal, and punk/hardcore punk?

Well shoot, guess I gotta stop liking Muse, Judas Priest, Senses Fail, Arctic Monkeys, MGMT, The Ramones, Megadeth, Snow Patrol, Radiohead, Franz Ferdinand, and basically every other band I've ever liked.

Looks like the only band I actually like is Toadies. Thanks for clearing that up

[DookieMan]

I'm a bit confused by some of the points you make here, but I am also annoyed when Creed is thought of as "the" grunge band. I love grunge, but I absolutely despise post-grunge.

[CheezerRox]

I find musically disinclined people a challenge, more than an annoyance. I feel the need to educate them and move on. That way they can look back and say..."Hey that guy was right ", that way instead of coming off like an "Asshat", or sounding pretentious, i can show them music that they may like in a genre, or "Feel" of music they may actually like.

Just me.

That's true. I don't know, I'm no wise man, I'm no calculative thinker, it's just that false opinions of grunge and the love of post-grunge has always annoyed me and I just thought I might as well get my opinion out there. Honestly, I do agree with the people who think it was abrasive and sloppy, but I guess I just kinda hope that that won't completely cut off what I was trying to get across.

i heard dave grohl, scientifically proven to be the only talent to come out of grunge, talked kurt "i'm so sad" cobain into killing himself just so he could fasttrack his way out of nirvana and start playing music with other real musicians.

lolgrunge

You have to be one of the most ignorant people I've ever had the displeasure of "seeing".

Jerry Cantrell, Mike McCready, Stone Gossard, Eddie Vedder, Layne Staley, Buzz Osbourne, Steve Turner, Chris Cornell, and, yes, even Kurt Cobain would all like to have a word with you.

If post-grunge is bringing rock and roll back to life, then we should put it out of its misery before I hear another Nickelback song.

(IMO of course)

QFT.

(Also IMO.)

Wait, so I actually dislike alternative rock, metal, and punk/hardcore punk?

Well shoot, guess I gotta stop liking Muse, Judas Priest, Senses Fail, Arctic Monkeys, MGMT, The Ramones, Megadeth, Snow Patrol, Radiohead, Franz Ferdinand, and basically every other band I've ever liked.

Looks like the only band I actually like is Toadies. Thanks for clearing that up

Never said that. I guess you mean you hate grunge, but that doesn't mean you hate where it came from. That's like if I said I don't like (insert genre) that I don't like anything that made it. That's ridiculous.

[CheezerRox]

If people are gonna be so pissy and this thread really bothers them that much, I'll ask a mod to close it, because I really don't want to hear it, honestly. Okay, I get it, I could have worded it better. Okay, I get it, you don't like grunge. Okay, I get it, Kurt Cobain committed suicide. Get over it. No one asked you to come to this thread, and no one asked you to be a aggressive about it.

By the way, this obviously isn't pointed at everyone who has posted in this thread, but I'm not going to name names or **** like that.