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  1. #21
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    There's no reason we would automatically fail this. Ultimately it's up to the community to decide whether a specific song has adhered to our standards.

    Ultimately, someone is going to be paying money for this song. Our intention is that they have a fun and enjoyable Rock Band experience, and feel that their money was well spent.

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    Nevermind...
    Last edited by darknessmoon; 10-22-2009 at 05:16 PM.
    Double Bass - It's meant to help a drummer come up with more complex beats, not to make their job "easier." Why can't people understand that?

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    Im pretty sure if Harmonix has charted:
    Piano
    Harmonica
    Turntable
    Mellotron
    Violin
    Synths
    and BASS (2 bass guitars?) to guitar, then you can chart a rhythm guitar to bass.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markleford View Post
    However, for my particular stake in this, I'm charting a prog song where both the bassist and guitarist switch to acoustic guitars for a duet in the middle section of the song. At the very least, I'm glad that the bass will still be playing bass for the rock-out sections, but I'd *like* the bass-gamer to be able to play the second guitar part, as the *real* bass player actually does, rather than sitting out and twiddling thumbs.
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    I really hope you get to chart and release it like that. It sounds very classy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarsPhoenix View Post
    4 lanes on the bottom screen would get rather crowded, and inclusion of a Rhythm section means that the Lead guitar would not have any of that section in it, which would make Lead a rather boring part in many songs. Good idea on paper, but there's too many problems with it.
    In real bands, I've never met and/or seen a lead guitarist who didn't play rhythm when he wasn't playing leads. Having a rhythm guitar would not be a reason to remove rhythm sections from lead, because that's simply not how it's done.

    Ultrace: I fail to see why this is such an issue. If you have two guitars, and you don't have any bass, then charting guitar to bass is the only logical step. You're so opposed to it for seemingly no reason at all. "It's bass, and it should always be bass" is just a narrow minded way to chart for this game. Under that thought process, the recent Kansas songs would not be nearly as much fun on guitar. If the guitar isn't 'sacred', then no instrument is.
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    I see no problem with charting that way, as long as it adheres to the standards, and is fun to play in the end, I personally think it should be acceptable.

    In 3 piece bands, like the late great Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble group, the bass guitar is pretty much the rhythm guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOwn1 View Post
    Im pretty sure if Harmonix has charted:
    Piano
    Harmonica
    Turntable
    Mellotron
    Violin
    Synths
    and BASS (2 bass guitars?) to guitar, then you can chart a rhythm guitar to bass.
    All those instruments, when assigned to the guitar, still filled the function of the guitar: a melodic contrapuntal line (meaning it's against the vocals, for you non-artists ) and/or solos. That's why Bass has had tuba, synth, etc charted to it, too. That lends itself to the "taste" argument. "Taste" also seems to me, if you have a bass line, then it disappears for a few sections (say 20 seconds worth) then you don't go "HEY BUM HERE'S SOME RHYTHM CHORDS I'LL TOSS OUT FOR YOU BRIEFLY." Keeping it consistent is very important.

    And remember, you can do a little 'creative mixing' for RBN. It's something that every band should know may happen to their songs.
    The docs specify that it's a good idea to bring up the low-mid range on bass to help make it "punch" enough so that the player can hear what they're actually playing. If you want to add the rhythm part to bass, see how it sounds when you bring out those low strings (Think Basitar ). You might be able to get away with it, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyinaToga View Post
    All those instruments, when assigned to the guitar, still filled the function of the guitar: a melodic contrapuntal line (meaning it's against the vocals, for you non-artists ) and/or solos. That's why Bass has had tuba, synth, etc charted to it, too. That lends itself to the "taste" argument. "Taste" also seems to me, if you have a bass line, then it disappears for a few sections (say 20 seconds worth) then you don't go "HEY BUM HERE'S SOME RHYTHM CHORDS I'LL TOSS OUT FOR YOU BRIEFLY." Keeping it consistent is very important.

    And remember, you can do a little 'creative mixing' for RBN. It's something that every band should know may happen to their songs.
    The docs specify that it's a good idea to bring up the low-mid range on bass to help make it "punch" enough so that the player can hear what they're actually playing. If you want to add the rhythm part to bass, see how it sounds when you bring out those low strings (Think Basitar ). You might be able to get away with it, then.
    Okay, first off,
    1. If someone does go "HEY MAYBE ILL PUT SUM GITAR ON BASS SOOO IT WONT BE BURING LULZ", then they are freaking ******ed, and
    2. It's called a Baritone.

    Other than that, I totally agree.
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  9. #29
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    I think it is ******ed to not be able to do two guitars with no bass.

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    If you have Bass in a song, our authoring rules state that you must author the Bass. It's OK to author two guitars if there isn't a Bass part.
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