Chart Discussion Thread

[DavyinaToga]

In Number of the Beast? The entire drum intro, measures 36-50, section entitled "Gtr Intro A":

http://rockband.scorehero.com/images...pert_blank.png

Those Yellow/Blues are hi-hat flams. In the cover version, the cover drummer didn't play flams, so that whole intro was authored to just yellows.

Yeah, I think I realized that probably at the same time you were posting. I'm ashamed of myself now. Man, if Scorehero had the chart for the original...

OK, JesusSilencio, I concede. Do it like the man says: blue with yellow HH flams.

[NoahTheDuke]

My only concern is a transfer from a ride or crash to the hi-hat, or a quick fill back and forth between the snare and hi-hat. If the song doesn't have any of those, sweet.

Noah

[nothings]

Do HMX Expert drum chartings ever require crossovers? Do they ever require very fast paradiddles or double-strokes? I simply can't play Expert well enough to tell what's going on in the parts I mess up horribly. In my own drum parts I have occasional crossovers and I do a lot of little fill-in 32nd notes or 16th-triplets using one bounced double and I'm not sure what's preferred for those. The creators docs don't really set clear ground rules for what's acceptable to require for drum rudiments.

(For example, I don't think I can do effective bounced doubles on the RB1 kit, although I can on the RB2, so I'm not sure what's reasonable to chart. I've never played a bounced double on the RB2 kit in any of the songs, but I don't know if that's because they're not charted or simply because I suck too much to even parse out that they'd be appropriate.)

[davidshek]

Do HMX Expert drum chartings ever require crossovers? Do they ever require very fast paradiddles or double-strokes?

Yep, they sure do. Look at some of the fills in Dead on Arrival, particularly that one really tricky one near the end. It's got some pretty complicated sticking in it.

As for double strokes, that's a yes too. Example: Constant Motion, there's a part where Portnoy is playing double strokes on the ride cymbal with his right hand and hi-hat with his left. HMX authored that to BBYYBBYYBBYY. I suppose you could single stroke that, but it'd be MUCH harder.

[DavyinaToga]

Bad Reputation is full of double strokes, IF you don't crossover them all. So in a way, they're both required.

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There's several songs that have pairs of fast double-stroking on red snares, much like Opening Band, Icarus, and Rx, the upcoming song from davidshek's band. There's also several examples of other forced double-stroking, in The Feeling (left hand again, mostly so the right hand can ride on greens) and Kids In America (red rolls starting alongside a ride cymbal *shudder*)

[JesusSilencio]

OK, JesusSilencio, I concede. Do it like the man says: blue with yellow HH flams.

Yeah, I think that's what I'll go with. Ironically enough, I will have some trouble playing my own part, but oh well.

@nothings: The only thing I can think of that HMX (intentionally) doesn't chart every note for are cymbal sustains (they'll typically just chart them as 8th notes, since they're sorta arhythmic). Other than that, drum rudiments are fine. I still play on the RB1 kit, and as long as you aren't playing 32nd note rolls at 140, it's very doable on the RB1 kit.

[Yakalot]

Example: Constant Motion, there's a part where Portnoy is playing double strokes on the ride cymbal with his right hand and hi-hat with his left. HMX authored that to BBYYBBYYBBYY. I suppose you could single stroke that, but it'd be MUCH harder.

But it's so fun single stroking that part!

back and forth and back and forth

[TheGlassIdentityCrisis]

On the flam question. I charted flam hits on red and yellow with the yellow hitting on the beat and the red hitting 128 note following. I felt this was the most accurrate representation of the hit while pointing out that it is a two stick movement. I let my friend play it and he never missed it. But he flipped out on me when he watched it autoplay and told me how ridiculous it was. It was quite funny when i pointed out to him that the reason he nailed them every time, is because it was natural to do it that way. I say set trends. This has allowed musicians to chart songs to feel natural. Why fight it with rules based on tradition. Just because that is "the way we have always done it" doesn't make it right.

BTW. I only charted these odd looking flams on expert level. I take the stance of "you asked to play it like an expert here it is"

My two cents

[JesusSilencio]

On the flam question. I charted flam hits on red and yellow with the yellow hitting on the beat and the red hitting 128 note following. I felt this was the most accurrate representation of the hit while pointing out that it is a two stick movement. I let my friend play it and he never missed it. But he flipped out on me when he watched it autoplay and told me how ridiculous it was. It was quite funny when i pointed out to him that the reason he nailed them every time, is because it was natural to do it that way. I say set trends. This has allowed musicians to chart songs to feel natural. Why fight it with rules based on tradition. Just because that is "the way we have always done it" doesn't make it right.

BTW. I only charted these odd looking flams on expert level. I take the stance of "you asked to play it like an expert here it is"

My two cents

Hmm... interesting. One problem I see with doing it that way is it makes you play a certain sticking for the flam (in your case, a left handed flam). I know that, personally, I almost always play right handed flams if given the choice, and making it so I have to play it left handed would sorta screw me up. Honestly, I would have to play a few songs with them charted like that to figure out whether they feel natural or not.

Also, there's nothing stopping you from playing the flams as actual flams the way HMX has been charting it, as long you play them reasonably closed. I'll almost always play flams if I know that that's what they are.

[kuiosikle]

I don't mean to distract from other people's inquiries, but I need some help.

Now that I'm working on the other difficulties I'm having trouble with what to keep and what not to. Do the hard and medium charts in my first image look as if I'm going about it the right way?


Also, how would you suggest breaking down the bass in my second image?