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[metalcharter]

Yeah, I understand how you feel. But I'm going off of what HMX has done in the past, and I'm pretty sure that's what the peer reviewers are going by too. Plus, there are some spots that have off beat hits (like right when that part comes in).

Also, sometimes I'll play along with my left foot on double bass parts (not sure if anyone else does this), but charting it as triplets kinda prevents people from doing that.

HMX have not always been that consistent with their double bass standards - for instance, there are short parts in some of the Mayhem pack where they have charted the double bass for brief periods (also some of the Metallica charts). Believe me, I've playtested the heck out of the drum song, and I'm pretty sure that what I have now is the best possible balance between what the band is playing and dumbing it down to a single pedal - I'll have to take my chances on peer review, but I'll certainly be willing to argue that once they officially suggested we don't chart double bass, any hopes for chart accuracy were shot out of the window anyhow, and what I've done is hopefully far more in keeping with the spirit of the song than using some one-size-fits-all formula to dumb down the chart

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EDIT : also, as far as offbeat hits go, I don't think that a few offbeat hits are a problem, since theyre fairly common in a lot of songs (eg : anything by The Who) - when I found that triplets led to a part which was very tricky to play, I reverted to 8th notes, with some 16th in for variety, so I was very aware of that particular issue. Don't get me wrong, I really do appreciate the feedback - my only experience as a drummer is in RB, so there might be certain things that I don't do like a real drummer, but I can say that as an avid plastic drummer, what I've come up with for this chart is way more fun than what the alternative would be, and, in my opinion, that is what is important!

[socrstopr]

Hate to be this guy, but I'm telling you right now your song will never make it into the store with bass pedal authoring like you have described. Sure there are cases in the past, but HMX has been constantly evolving their authoring standards, so songs like the metallica pack and RB1 songs just don't cut it for examples to go by anymore. It is stated explicitly in the docs on how to dumb down double bass:

"choosing just what the right foot is doing as the playable part, or finding an interesting and appropriate way to reduce a constant stream of kick drum hits into a pattern just the right foot can play."

There are some exceptions like if it's a very slow double bass section like some of the disturbed songs, or some quick little quad fill type hits that can easily be played on one pedal with a quick foot snap.

Now you may read the second half of the quote and feel your idea is justified, but by authoring triplets where 16ths were actually played, you are placing gems at locations where there is no actual drumming occurring, and this is something that is never done on any instrument or any difficulty.

Again I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I'm just trying to help convince you to make these changes now instead of after submitting your song and hearing the same thing.

[metalcharter]

Well - I might just have to change it up to what I do on the parts where there is a lot of activity on the pads, so I can't use triplets, in which case I chart every fourth bar as 16th, and the rest as 8th so you have to play several short bursts of 16ths to keep things interesting.

For the record, I still disagree with their stance on this - if they want note accurate charts, then they should just allow charters to post double bass charts, with the caveat that it has to be included in the magma description, but I know that this has been covered, and their stance on this is not going to budge. It seems like a ridiculous double standard for them to insist you change the originally played chart to something other than what the drummer played, but only change it in a certain way.

Also, are you sure about that "note not been charted on any difficulty thing"?. I'm thinking of a situation where you might have really fast triplets on expert, and change it up to 16ths on hard difficulty - this makes far more sense to me than only playing the first note of the triplets on hard, since hard should still be, well, hard.

[matrix_loaded02]

Hate to be this guy, but I'm telling you right now your song will never make it into the store with bass pedal authoring like you have described. Sure there are cases in the past, but HMX has been constantly evolving their authoring standards, so songs like the metallica pack and RB1 songs just don't cut it for examples to go by anymore. It is stated explicitly in the docs on how to dumb down double bass:

"choosing just what the right foot is doing as the playable part, or finding an interesting and appropriate way to reduce a constant stream of kick drum hits into a pattern just the right foot can play."

There are some exceptions like if it's a very slow double bass section like some of the disturbed songs, or some quick little quad fill type hits that can easily be played on one pedal with a quick foot snap.

Now you may read the second half of the quote and feel your idea is justified, but by authoring triplets where 16ths were actually played, you are placing gems at locations where there is no actual drumming occurring, and this is something that is never done on any instrument or any difficulty.

Again I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I'm just trying to help convince you to make these changes now instead of after submitting your song and hearing the same thing.

I have to agree with pretty much everything this person said. I hardly see how playing faster than the original drummer is more fun. If you really want to play accurately, just play along with your left foot, I know I do.

[metalcharter]

Duly noted - I'll change up the drum chart accordingly....

Thanks for the feedback everybody - it is really appreciated

[Reygnier]

Metalcharter... I saw that video you posted, and when it said "YOU ARE ALL F*****" I just smiled.

Thanks for bringing metal to RB, and for bringing a smile to my face.

Thank you.

About the charting, don't make it hard just for hard's sake. This is no Guitar Hero. Just try and be as accurate as possible but minus the double-pedaling (few exceptions are possible, but no 1/128th notes ... sadly)

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Have to say I'm digging this song and can't wait to playtest it @ RBN!

[metalcharter]

Metalcharter... I saw that video you posted, and when it said "YOU ARE ALL F*****" I just smiled.

Thanks for bringing metal to RB, and for bringing a smile to my face.

Thank you.

About the charting, don't make it hard just for hard's sake. This is no Guitar Hero. Just try and be as accurate as possible but minus the double-pedaling (few exceptions are possible, but no 1/128th notes ... sadly)

I really have been pretty accurate for the most part - believe me - I didn't have to try to make the drums hard - there is one part in the drums where it has hihat/snare 32nd note blastbeats with some random cymbal hits thrown in - scarily, I actually had to remove double bass from this part . Incidentally, I generally fail at this part (but then, I really suck at blast beats, being a not-too-great drummer).

There are some parts in the guitar where, to keep things interesting I charted harmony guitars as a single guitar, but nothing hard - just some fun chord changes.

Good news on the black metal - heard back from my contact today, and apparently it's pretty much a done deal - in fact, the bassist for the band is even going to re-record the bass track, since they were never happy with it to begin with - I feel so honored

Announcement should be coming very soon!

[Oscar-Rio]

Good news on the black metal - heard back from my contact today, and apparently it's pretty much a done deal - in fact, the bassist for the band is even going to re-record the bass track, since they were never happy with it to begin with - I feel so honored

Announcement should be coming very soon!

I'm eager to find out. Keep us informed.

[back_blows]

Dear Satan,

Thank you for your gift that is metalcharter.

PS. Please make RBN arrive sooner.

Your Pal,

backy