Is it still Eric from the new bomb turks, or that John guy? They are douchebags. The goth scene in cowtown was very much ostracized by the rest of the music community, it rarely got any press, and most of it was negative. Cleveland was much friendlier, which is the last place I saw the wake (unless you count me running into Dan and Troy at an art gallery once, and James at a few parties). To be fair, the rest of the goth scene wasn't very friendly to the wake, either, they came off as aloof and pretentious because they wouldn't play in town or even support those of us who did. Then again, we were horribly organized. Outland was the only success story from the columbus goth scene.


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