The beatles might not have made it if they were an American band

[SystemSCSnake]

Look at the foolishness Capitol did with the beatles' LP's eg. using songs from "Help!" and putting them Rubber Soul ,also Yesterday and Today which they released Revolver songs with Help and Rubber Soul songs.

Capitol knew The Beatles were evolving and they were afraid, they wanted them to continue to be that hit making group from Liverpool, so they altered their LP's but by Pepper nothing could be done.

By Rubber Soul and Revolver they were too late. Those albums were too good of albums though, and you only speak of US albums, which were altered because the US got different songs at different times. However like all companies, $$$ comes first, and the beatles were racking in A LOT with their musical talent, they could care less, they knew it was the right direction.

[Setherex]

Try using paragraphs and proper punctuation when writing your posts, please.

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I would also say that my brain is still trying to process your post, if I bothered to read the entire thing.

[gnik nus]

The Beatles were able to evolve because EMI allowed them to be self indulgent you know hours in the studio experimenting etc. I know for a fact that they would not be able to do this under Capitol.

The Beatles changing their sound from from Merseybeat/Folk to Psychedelia would be too much of a gamble, and Capitol would not have allowed it. Therefore The Beatles would would have continued with their early sound and not getting past Beatles for Sale.

[SystemSCSnake]

The Beatles were able to evolve because EMI allowed them to be self indulgent you know hours in the studio experimenting etc. I know for a fact that they would not be able to do this under Capitol.

The Beatles changing their sound from from Merseybeat/Folk to Psychedelia would be too much of a gamble, and Capitol would not have allowed it. Therefore The Beatles would would have continued with their early sound and not getting past Beatles for Sale.

No they wouldn't.....You don't get it, even if Capitol would have not allowed it the Beatles made it too far anyway, and would be able to move on from Capitol....All your doing is bashing Capitol Records, not "If they were an American Band," if they were still the same people, they would have made it as far as they have to day period.

[Dakeeb]

How far a band makes it is partly dependent on their surroundings. Under the wrong conditions, there are a million different ways the Beatles would never have gotten off the ground; if they hadn't auditioned for George Martin, for example. He seems to have been the only producer in England who "got" what they were about, and gave them a contract despite them not having any better songs than Love Me Do. All on a hunch. Who else would do that?

So it's not all talent, you need a great deal of luck to go along with it, and it's very, very, VERY possible that if the Beatles had started in America, we would never have heard of them. I don't agree with the topic creator's idea that Capitol would have squashed their creative growth or whatever, but I do believe in the general idea that tons upon tons of things could have prevented the Beatles from being what they are today.

[SystemSCSnake]

How far a band makes it is partly dependent on their surroundings. Under the wrong conditions, there are a million different ways the Beatles would never have gotten off the ground; if they hadn't auditioned for George Martin, for example. He seems to have been the only producer in England who "got" what they were about, and gave them a contract despite them not having any better songs than Love Me Do. All on a hunch. Who else would do that?

So it's not all talent, you need a great deal of luck to go along with it, and it's very, very, VERY possible that if the Beatles had started in America, we would never have heard of them. I don't agree with the topic creator's idea that Capitol would have squashed their creative growth or whatever, but I do believe in the general idea that tons upon tons of things could have prevented the Beatles from being what they are today.

It's true I never considered Brian Epstein or George Martin, but in the world of possibilites, there is a million more different ways that the Beatles could have gotten to where they were, and a million more ways they could be successful, and a million more ways they could have at least been a well received band

[SisterRay]

Pet Sounds is their most critically acclaimed album, but it failed to sell well due to Capitol Records not promoting the record, because the sound of the album differed from earlier Beach Boy's releases. Capitol wanted the boys to continue their more mainstream Surf Rock sound.

Please this honestly sounds like a Beach Boy fan who is pissed off. Give some credit at least the Beatles American recording company were hardly good to the Beatles at the start. They thought British Rock bands would not make it here. By the time the Beatles released "I Want to Hold Your Hand" Capitol records had no choice to give in to the Beatles because they were selling millions of records.

I like the Beach Boys but the story is old it was the other Beach Boys who were not supportive of what Brian Wilson was doing. As for the Beatles they influenced Brian Wilson with Rubber Soul and basically packed it in when he heard "Strawberry Fields Forever". The influence went both ways but it's history now

[SisterRay]

Yep I made another thread anyway I was wondering would the Beatles have been as big as they are now if they were an american band. Hear me out here's the senario so they would be signed to capital records now they would have been a hit making but they wouldnt have been able to progess as a band as they eventually did in england. Look how the american releases differed to the UK ones I think america record companies was afraid that the beatles were changing and changed their records so the albums had that merseybeat sound of their earlier records. Why do you think the beach boys petsounds sold so terribly capital refused to promote cause the beach boys were changing and they didnt think the beach boys more mature sound would be marketable. They would have pulled the same thing with the beatles. I think they wouldnt have gotten past beatles for sale

You know the story about how the Beatles were asked to do a cover song on their first single and refused to do it because they wanted to make it with their own songs. They had enough confidence to force change.

Well the thing is the Beatles were not American and part of their sound lies in British Skiffle which is why they sounded different than most of their American counterparts. The fact is they were British and they had to deal with the stigma that British Rock bands could not succeed in America. So they had to deal with and change the Record Industry belief that British Rock couldn't make it here. Hence when they broke through the British Invasion started and that is one of the main reasons why the British Invasion was so important to American music.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Don't be too hard on Capitol, American Rubber Soul is a significant album.

[gnik nus]

Im not Beach Boys fan (Although I did enjoy Pet Sounds and Capitol altered TheBeatles LP way too much for me to not go easy on them. Rockbandfan23467 look at the track listing for that "album" Yesterday and Today.