vVv Adrenaline Reviews RBN Songs

[DekarTheDragoon]

I agree with David. I was going to say that earlier, but got busy and forgot. But yeah, giving opinions on the actual song would only scare away purchasers who read "This song sounds like cats fighting" and don't give it a chance themselves.

And considering how popular review sites are, and how much many people care about /10 and /100 scores, I have to think that that would turn people away.

[vVvGaming]

Sorry it's taken so long to reply everyone. We've all been at PAX East and unfortunately had to postpone episode to until this Friday. We'll be on a fixed schedule from now on though.

One thing I would try to do is make sure you review 3 different types of songs each episode, you did that here and it'd be a good thing to keep up

That's a good thing to consider. We definitely want to stay away from reviewing three metals songs in the same week, for example. Variety is always good.

I would like to see a video that's more like a review instead of just a video of a whole song. Maybe the pros and cons of the song is it a Good party song etc.

We thought about doing something like that, but in the end we ended up deciding against it. The amount of work that would have had to go into something like that would have been too much with the video editing and such. We'll still definitely mention the pros and cons of each song, and other factors of the song (i.e. if it's a good party song) will be included if we think it's worth mentioning.

-Reviewing more than just the charts would help: those reviews were of the charts, not the song, the mixing or the venue stuff. Personally, I find that audio quality, the quality of the song and, to an extent, the venue stuff is also very important to how fun I find the song to play.

For the most part, the venue stuff won't really be a a factor for most people. I don't recall anyone not liking a song because the band members weren't moving around the way they liked, and actually most of the time they didn't even notice anything beside the notes. And as for audio quality, I'm assuming that it will always be good to get into RBN. If the quality is bad enough that it's actually noticeable, then we'll definitely mention it in the review. For the majority of people, how fun the chart is and how good the song is musically matter the most when deciding whether to buy a song or not.

-I found that the reviews were definitely written by players who are skilled to the point where "Hard" has become synonymous with "Fun" and "Easy to moderate difficulty" has become synonymous with "Booooooring." Obviously, this is to be expected from players who consider Footloose and Fancy Free an easy FBFC, but I felt that the reviews were being written from a viewpoint vastly different to my own, and possibly the vast majority of people who are going to be downloading these songs.

This was actually noticed by someone on Scorehero, to which I responded

It's funny because once I finally got the review ready to go live, I then noticed that the two ratings were similar. This is honestly just a coincidence here because next week's reviews will, in a lot of ways, be the exact opposite. Second Best Friend, for example, is really fun on everything with only the guitar being somewhat difficult, and probably would be a good song to review.

And we're not just looking for songs with good charts either. If we find a song that's great musically, then we may choose to review that song as well. It's definitely not easy for a new band to get known in the world, so we're definitely willing to help them get their name out there if we feel they deserve some recognition.

So don't worry about a song not scoring high because it's easy. Some of the most fun songs in my mind are some of the easier ones.

I would love it if you could do more songs, I was hoping it would be like, 10.

Well that may be a bit much. An episode with three reviews is a long enough article as it is, doing something like 10 songs would probably make people just look at it as a wall of text, so we figured three or so reviews a week would be good.

Obviously having to FBFC 10 songs would be very hard though, would you guys consider just playing it (not for an FBFC) so we can view the chart and it will only take 1 or 2 tries for you (much quicker).

And we actually don't focus at all on FBFCs for these reviews (none of the three we posted thus far are). We just want to show the chart so people know what we're talking about in our reviews.

There were a lot more that would have been good for you to review. He Sleeps in a Grove, The Complexity of Light, Stand for Something, Africa, etc.

There are well over 150 songs on RBN, so naturally we can't review them all. If we listen to/play a song that we feel deserves to be reviewed, then we'll review it. But I will tell you that based on the songs you mentioned, you should definitely stay tuned for episode 2 .

I agree with most of it, but I don't think we need their opinion on the quality of the song itself. The quality of the recording (the audio) perhaps, but not the actual song.

Is the fact that Hellashes does (or doesn't) like a song really going to make you more (or less) inclined to buy a RBN track? His musical tastes could be very different than your own, and most likely are.

We may mention our opinions on the song briefly in the review, but that certainly won't have an impact on what we think of the chart. And what any one member of Adrenaline thinks about the song has no say one what songs we review. If, say, the entire band doesn't like a song or think that any of the charts are particularly good, then we probably won't review it. HellAshes' opinions of a song don't factor into our decisions more or less than the other members. Don't forget that, although he's very skilled, he's just another member of the band.

kinda weird to see vVv has a rock band team... haha!

i think i read somewhere that hellashes guy likes black metal, so maybe they'll review my tracks in the future...

We actually have two rock bands . We have vVv Adrenaline (Brock, HellAshes, GanonMetroid, Tobias911) and we also somewhat recently picked up a new band, vVv Edge of Insanity (ProffessorJoe, Diex, CPURules, RJUCPU)

I agree with David. I was going to say that earlier, but got busy and forgot. But yeah, giving opinions on the actual song would only scare away purchasers who read "This song sounds like cats fighting" and don't give it a chance themselves.

And considering how popular review sites are, and how much many people care about /10 and /100 scores, I have to think that that would turn people away.

I don't think a quick opinion about what we think of a song musically would deter anyone from buying the song. That's one of the main reasons we are also doing full band videos. Of course everyone can see for themselves if they think the charts are fun, but it also gives them a chance to listen to the song for themselves.


Thanks a lot for your thoughts everyone! Episode 2 will be up Friday, so until them continue to leave your thoughts here!

[davidshek]

We may mention our opinions on the song briefly in the review, but that certainly won't have an impact on what we think of the chart. And what any one member of Adrenaline thinks about the song has no say one what songs we review. If, say, the entire band doesn't like a song or think that any of the charts are particularly good, then we probably won't review it. HellAshes' opinions of a song don't factor into our decisions more or less than the other members. Don't forget that, although he's very skilled, he's just another member of the band.

Right, my comments were not directed at you or vVv, but at the person whom I quoted.

[XinZ]

Wow, really solid reviews. I love the formatting along with high quality videos of full bands playing. I'll for sure be checking these out every time there's a new one.

[Armymond]

Though you only did 3 songs, and they were the most popular songs at that, I'm grateful for the review. I was actually considering buying some of these, but since I'm so picky I'm glad I read this review. I'll probably just save my cash. I agree, more songs should be reviewed, such as unknown ones that would be great additions. I'm looking forward to more reviews.

[vVvGaming]

Episode 2 is up! You guys gave some great suggestions before, so feel free to continue to give your opinions!


Episode #2 - 4/2/10

songs reviewed this episode:
Between the Buried and Me – Mordecai
Quartered – Africa
Children of Nova – Complexity of Light

[DekarTheDragoon]

Currently reading/watching, but I wanted to note that...

There are many green streaks during the first couple minutes that should be all strumming, but they decided it would be a good idea to have EVERY streak start with a hammer on green, which makes absolutely no sense. At the end of some of the green streaks, there's a random green hammer on notes AFTER a green strum. This makes no impact on playing the song, but it makes you wonder just how much care went into charting a song as popular as this.

I'm quite sure this was a technical issue/glitch that people were aware of, but no one is quite sure why it happens or how to fix it. That's as far as I know anyways, but I'm pretty sure it's not RGS's fault, nor the Playtesters/PeerReviewers.

[S1ckH4nds]

Thanks for the professional review of Mordecai, HellAshes.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Currently reading/watching, but I wanted to note that...



I'm quite sure this was a technical issue/glitch that people were aware of, but no one is quite sure why it happens or how to fix it. That's as far as I know anyways, but I'm pretty sure it's not RGS's fault, nor the Playtesters/PeerReviewers.

This is correct.

There is a glitch in the system(there's an actual HMX song this happened to as well, just can't remember the name of it), and it was noted(the hammer on issue) in the testing.

Multiple times in fact. It is however, something that no one can figure out how to fix, so it was either leave it in, or not release the song.

IIRC.

[SirDavidTLynch]

This is correct.

There is a glitch in the system(there's an actual HMX song this happened to as well, just can't remember the name of it)

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