Top RBN Downloads 2.0

[NoThru22]

I've seen said videos and for whatever reason I feel they all exaggerate the audio level issues compared to the sound on my home system.

It's no exaggeration, trust me. I would also put good money on the table that Wavegroup will be allowed to fix the mix for the PS3 version.

[kingtonyx]

No I don't believe they will. I think their only chance to change anything will be when RBN 2.0 comes out but that will probably be up to MS.

That might be when the PS3 gets RBN though.

[jawillroy]

"indie" (The more I deal with that term, the more I dislike it)

Okay, I'm curious. Why?

[Bront20]

Okay, I'm curious. Why?

There's always been an odd counterculture to fandom. Metallica "Sold Out" when they made their Black Album and gained more mainstream acceptance. Many smaller bands have fans that feel the same way too, or people use their musical snobbery by claiming to be up on all the "Indie" bands. It also doesn't really describe a band's sound.

Calling a band "Indie" just tends to strike me the wrong way. It tends to reek of snobbery at worst, and at best, the words small, new, or something similar works just as well.

"Indie" films have a point, and the designation is pretty clear. "Indie" music, much less so, at least now.

My opinion of course

[jawillroy]

There's always been an odd counterculture to fandom...

...it tends to reek of snobbery at worst, and at best, the words small, new, or something similar works just as well...

..."Indie" films have a point, and the designation is pretty clear. "Indie" music, much less so, at least now.

My opinion of course

And there's no counterculture of fandom surrounding, say, metal? Or gaming? Or film!

Indie music certainly doesn't have any kind of monopoly on snobbery: there's an awful lot of snobs in the film world, or so I'm told (coughRogerEbertongamingcough). Or beer. BEER snobs, , the WORST. I admit, I can certainly see where independently produced music can breed a kind of snobbery (since almost by definition, you have to go *looking* for it. You ain't gonna hear much in the way of Lou Barlow or Guided by Voices or Kristin Hersh or The Hold Steady on your local Clearchannel station*.) Simply by talking about what bands you're listening to, you're caught in an act of name-checking - because it's easy to find bands that nobody else has heard of, that are nevertheless REALLY REALLY GOOD.

You avoid the most meaningful definition of "indie" in terms of the music's production; the lack of major label involvement and influence (although admittedly that can be a stretch: The Hold Steady's label, Vagrant, used to have backing from Interscope.) "new" and "small" don't get to the point. While I sympathize that "indie" is a little bit catch-all in terms of style - it's a really big tent - at the same time I'm puzzled, because I hear the term "indie" and know exactly what is meant.

* Indie makes weird inroads, though. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I heard them playing Apples in Stereo at my GYM of all places, in there with the Lady Gaga and The Fray and the Gwen Stefani.

[DrvThruPnk]

c'mon people, download the songs by Clutch so I can get them eventually on PS3
D:

[Bront20]

And there's no counterculture of fandom surrounding, say, metal? Or gaming? Or film!

Indie music certainly doesn't have any kind of monopoly on snobbery: there's an awful lot of snobs in the film world, or so I'm told (coughRogerEbertongamingcough). Or beer. BEER snobs, , the WORST. I admit, I can certainly see where independently produced music can breed a kind of snobbery (since almost by definition, you have to go *looking* for it. You ain't gonna hear much in the way of Lou Barlow or Guided by Voices or Kristin Hersh or The Hold Steady on your local Clearchannel station*.) Simply by talking about what bands you're listening to, you're caught in an act of name-checking - because it's easy to find bands that nobody else has heard of, that are nevertheless REALLY REALLY GOOD.

You avoid the most meaningful definition of "indie" in terms of the music's production; the lack of major label involvement and influence (although admittedly that can be a stretch: The Hold Steady's label, Vagrant, used to have backing from Interscope.) "new" and "small" don't get to the point. While I sympathize that "indie" is a little bit catch-all in terms of style - it's a really big tent - at the same time I'm puzzled, because I hear the term "indie" and know exactly what is meant.

* Indie makes weird inroads, though. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I heard them playing Apples in Stereo at my GYM of all places, in there with the Lady Gaga and The Fray and the Gwen Stefani.

Oh, there's plenty of music snobs in all genres, and many seem to have when stuff goes main stream. I just don't like the term in general. It rarely is used correctly any more, and even when it is, it's used in a rather snobbish way.

In my opinion of course.

And for RB, I'd definitely rather see a song sorted by it's actual genre over "Indie", which stylistically doesn't tell me much of anything.

[kingtonyx]

Indie Rock is a real genre, with subgenres and the whole nine

[jawillroy]

I'd actually put it the other way around. Potentially, every genre can be indie. A lot of metal and rap is, by necessity. There's indie pop and indie rock, and a lot of folk.

The essential thing is this: "Nobody can tell me what I have to play." Once you're dealing with a major, unless you have serious clout to begin with (sonic youth much?) you're going to have to mess with your art. It happens again and again.

[jimbury]

indie as a genre is probably the most grab-all subsection of popular music there is, the term originally denoted nothing more than an act coming out on an independant rather than major record label, nowadays people tend to use the term for whatever suits their purpose (as with so many other sub-divisions)