I think its just more of a personally thing. I find the song very boring on Guitar on my half anyway, Its just mainly one riff playing throughout the whole entire song without a break and then have that Guitar solo which is nothing really. I remember when playing through this song thinking 'Please God not let this be the entire song'. But yeah, it was. I won't comment on Drums and stuff as i said before, but on my experence as playing the Guitar, there is a ton much better Metal song to pick from on the Rock Band Network to enjoy than this song for Guitar anyways in my opinion.
Meshuggah guitar is one of these cases where people who like anything that gives them a challenge will enjoy it, but other people might just get frustrated by the way the tricky strumming rhythms constantly break their combo and tire them out. I personally often enjoy a good challenge and plan to buy Meshuggah for the drums when I get the chance (I do enjoy polyrhythms), but I expect to play guitar at most once and not really enjoy it at all, because I don't really enjoy that type of strumming without to much variety or fret changes much, even if it does challenge me.
i think its funny how when people get s song that is hard they moan and moan when a song isnt hard. it happens alot with people i play with they always want harder songs and when i get new ones which i know are hard they quit out when something gets too intense for them.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Bleed is just straight 4/4 on drums with no polyrhythms.
I think there is a point to that though, as there really is a big gap in difficulty between the songs I can beat (Painkiller, Panic Attack, Bang Camaro etc) and ones I can't beat; because they are usually insane tapping... there aren't any really shredding songs yet (like "Surfing With The Alien" craazy tapping and "Smells Like Kevin Bacon). Of course, Bumblefoot and Rusty Cooley are hopefully gonna' change that soon!
Last edited by Nathaniel607; 06-26-2010 at 03:04 PM.
Guitar is repetitive, and not a great choice for a rock band track, they should've chosen something more varietal like pravus or dancers to a discordant system.
As for the drums, Haake explains
Whether listening to “Electric Red,” “Bleed,” or any of obZen’s seven other highly stimulating tracks such as “Combustion,” “Pineal Gland Optics,” “Pravus,” and “Dancers To A Discordant System,” the eternal mystery of Meshuggah re-emerges: What the hell time signatures are these songs in? “They are not in odd times,” Haake states for the umpteenth. “It’s not a big deal to us. It’s not a matter of us wanting the listener to hear the music the way we do it. This whole album is straight 4/4 all through.
“You have of course a cycle that’s repeating. For example, a pattern of snare and kick could be nine hits over an 8/8 bar, and that nine-beat cycle keeps repeating while my cymbal/hi-hat hand and the snare play a straight beat as well. So the context of the song is 4/4, but if you wanted to you could say this measure is 13/16 or something, but we really don’t think about it like that. We just think bar by bar, and think of each bar as a different movement.
“I’m not a schooled drummer, but I’ve heard a lot of explanations of what we do. The great Terry Bozzio explained to me what we did as far as our notes are considered. I guess you could call it alternative cycles or odd groupings or permutations because it’s this odd number of hits in a riff. Eighth-notes in an odd number over 4/4 just sounds trippy after a while.”
I don't know if it's technically a polyrhythm (I think you are right that it's all quater/eighth/sixteenth notes), but it still seems like a weird pattern that has the same sort of challenge as a polyrhythm, because of the way the bass gallops vary relative to the cymbal and snare pattern.Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Bleed is just straight 4/4 on drums with no polyrhythms.