Rock Band 3 DLC - Old Songs Recycled for Pro Mode

[ramrod314]

If Harmonix decides to go back and recycle already released songs in order to incorporate the new pro mode (which I honestly hope they do), then how are they going to price them? Do we get a discount if we already own the original track? I realize that would be hell to design for the RBN. So then would they all be discounted? I'm just brainstorming so anyone feel free to jump in with how they feel the task should be handled. Whether or not to recycle tracks, or if so, how do to so.

Just some thoughts that have been going through my head with all the great DLC coming out. (CCR, Live-a-palooza etc.) I realize how incredible the work load would be to recycle their huge library, but I personally want to play pro mode and only pro mode once RB3 hits shelves this holiday. However, I don't want to neglect all of my favorite songs...most of which are already on the RBN.

Let's give them some feedback so they make the right decision. Also, if there is another thread dedicated to this, point me in the right direction. It's been bugging me for weeks.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Unfortunately with the way RBN is set up, once a track is published and on sale it can never be altered.

It can be taken down, and have stuff added into it, but then you have to rebuy this new version.

Some authors are putting in the code for Pro drums on the songs that are in the system now, but we don't have to tools for Piano, vocal harmonies, and Pro bass/guitar.

IF we ever do get these tools, the only way to add them to the older songs would be to take down the older versions rechart them and you'd have to buy them again.

OR I guess they could leave the old version up, then put up new version of the same song with RB3 or PRO version tacked on the end.

Either way you'd have to rebuy any song that you would want these new features to have.

Sorry, but that's the nature of XNA.

[NoThru22]

XNA games are allowed to be updated. Perhaps Rock Band 3 will bring the ability to force updates on older songs. I don't believe that Harmonix will be updated the older DLC but RBN authors could possibly do it if given the opportunity. This is all speculation.

[ramrod314]

OR I guess they could leave the old version up, then put up new version of the same song with RB3 or PRO version tacked on the end.

This is more of what I meant. Not necessarily changing already released songs, but releasing modified ones with the new code for the pro mode. I know that they won't change what has already been released. That would be completely backwards.

In an interview with one of the developers (I think I watched it on g4) they said they were considering going back and remaking some of the songs. This was just one possibility and I'm sure they were being completely theoretical. But it IS possible, and it is something they are considering. I just don't want to pay the same price for one of the new RB3 songs with both regular and pro mode than I would for a song in which I already owned the content of the regular mode and the only new content would be the pro mode for those instruments. Keyboard/harmonies probably wouldn't be added for most RB1/RB2 songs.

An interesting point, like you said, is the possibility of user-made versions of the songs with the pro mode included. That would be interesting if the community was given the tools. I haven't played around with that feature at all yet, so I'm not sure how the licensing rights would work out with remaking licensed songs or if you run into trouble with that at all. I would just rather see some official versions of these songs redone to guarantee the authenticity of the notes played for each song. There are a lot of crappy guitar tabs out there. I don't want the RBN to become littered in the same way.

[madcapmatt]

When I read this thread I thought it was asking if we could get HMX DLC released on RBN with pro charting. If that could happen I'd pick up a few songs for sure.

[KEWB]

I've sort of been confused why they decided to announce and release the RBN just a few months before they announced RB3's new features which pretty much make the tools and songs released through RBN obsolete.

[ramrod314]

When I read this thread I thought it was asking if we could get HMX DLC released on RBN with pro charting. If that could happen I'd pick up a few songs for sure.

This is exactly what I'm asking for. Old songs compatible with pro mode. Or are you talking about creating your own songs through the RBN with pro charting?

I've sort of been confused why they decided to announce and release the RBN just a few months before they announced RB3's new features which pretty much make the tools and songs released through RBN obsolete.

I completely agree. I don't even want to buy new DLC now because it seems like a waste since I'll want to play pro mode when the new game comes out and none of these songs will be able to do so. This is why I'm trying to give feedback to Harmonix so they consider this heavily.

[Markleford]

I've sort of been confused why they decided to announce and release the RBN just a few months before they announced RB3's new features

RBN was announced closer to a year before RB3 than "just a few months". RBN's release schedule slipped by at least 4 months: we had more problems than originally anticipated. Ideally, it would have been released perhaps a year before RB3 ("holiday 2009").

which pretty much make the tools and songs released through RBN obsolete.

What? RBN songs are no more obsolete than existing pre-RB3 DLC and disc songs. I'm certainly not going to be deleting my library, how about you? The advent of Pro Mode doesn't make it all worthless suddenly.

The tools are also still usable. The only difference will be the added features, easily managed within the same workflow through additional tracks.

Besides which, it's not even been officially announced that RBN will get these features. It's just something we're assuming and hoping for. But I guess if people are already not buying pre-RB3 regular DLC, that means they won't be buying RBN tracks ever, anyway.

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[SirDavidTLynch]

In an interview with one of the developers (I think I watched it on g4) they said they were considering going back and remaking some of the songs.

Didn't they also say they didn't want to make us pay for hundreds (if not thousands) of songs we already have?

[jessejigga]

this is why i came on to the rb forum that would perfect i hate that i bought so many song i mean alot, and i feel like i gotta like play them as much as i can now because i guarantee that i will love pro mode.Im sure there's a way that they would update the songs or they could re-do them with pro mode and for the people who bought them free download but if you didnt then you gotta pay makes sense i think there's just gotta way rock band will be making money for the old songs for rb 1 and 2 so why not.( i wanna learn all the songs i have and get more fun out of rb3)