RB3 Request a Feature, Bug Report and Suggestion Thread (no song requests)

[SirDavidTLynch]

I don't remember reading any specific percents, but I do remember Harmonix saying at least a few times that it was removed because nobody played it in the first two games.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

I don't remember reading any specific percents, but I do remember Harmonix saying at least a few times that it was removed because nobody played it in the first two games.

It mighta been during the stream, because I'm digging through his posts and haven't found anything.

Of course, it only shows a fraction of the post in the preview, so maybe I passed over it.

[m_estock]

Even if the percentages were low, what harm is there in including it anyways? It reminds me of the whole stage kit ordeal... Who knows what the percentages were for that, but HMX listened and patched it in. Im not interested in a patch for RB3, but just support for score duel in the next game.

I remember the pretty lenghty threads on here about score duel shortly after launch, so I'm pretty confident that HMX will appease this issue in the next game.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

what harm is there in including it anyways?

Less time to work on features/things more people use/see, less money for the overall game since they spent some of their budget on Score Duel when not enough people bought the game specifically for it to justify the money, less disc space for other features(a couple of filters, maybe? A trainer song?).

Take your pick.

[m_estock]

Less time to work on features/things more people use/see, less money for the overall game since they spent some of their budget on Score Duel when not enough people bought the game specifically for it to justify the money, less disc space for other features(a couple of filters, maybe? A trainer song?).

Take your pick.

You can use that argument on just about anything in the game... It was already coded for past games, although the code would obviously be different for RB3. They would have a good base to work from nonetheless.

I think the real reason it wasn't included was the addition of battles. It replaced score duel and became the new competitive mode. They probably saw the low percentages and thought about what they could do to freshen up the competitive side to RB. There was no need for two modes so they axed score duel.

It'd be interesting to see the percentages for battles usage.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

You can use that argument on just about anything in the game...

Sure can. So if Quickplay and Score Duel take the same space, time, and money to implement in RB3, but 98% of your audience used RB2 Quickplay, compared to 2% for RB2 Score Duel, which do you focus on?

[m_estock]

Obviously quick play, but that will always be a feature in any rock band game, so it's always going to be a 'focus'. We can go back and forth forever about this, I'm just trying to say there are some fans that want the feature, even if it's a small percentage as you've said. We've seen what HMX did to appease the stage kit fans (myself being one), so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried incorporating score duel into the next game.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

No one ever said there wasn't anybody asking for Score Duel back. Stage Kit functionality was easier to do(since it was in a patch), and arguably cheaper to implement(cues already there, no versus code in RB3 at all), so it's not really comparable.

[m_estock]

It's comparable as far as HMX listening to the fans. There was quite an uproar over this if I remember right, as was the case with the stage kit. That's what makes HMX such a great company, they listen to the fans.

[Obi_Wan_Kenoli]

Obviously quick play, but that will always be a feature in any rock band game, so it's always going to be a 'focus'. We can go back and forth forever about this, I'm just trying to say there are some fans that want the feature, even if it's a small percentage as you've said. We've seen what HMX did to appease the stage kit fans (myself being one), so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried incorporating score duel into the next game.

Besides the whole ad populum thing, which doesn't really bode well for some of the features RB3 bought to the table as it'd be just as illogical to carry those forward if popularity is the sole metric for such considerations, RB3 did inflate the amount of charts.

I'm not sure as to what goes into Tug of War and Score Duel on the charting side of things as far as anything extra being done with the charts during authoring to support them, but you pretty much go from RB2 with 4 sets of Guitar, Bass, Drum, and Vocal charts to RB3 with all of those plus 4 sets of Keys, 4 sets of Pro keys, 4 sets of Pro Guitar, 4 sets of Pro Bass, Harmonies, etc... So if there was even an innocuous amount of work incorporating those, all hew new charts exponentially increase even a small amount of work.

Like I said, I don't know what the process is, but some of my RBN songs are Tug of War-less so I'm assuming something has to be done on the authoring side, so maybe the omission is to save some authoring pain as well to offset doubling the amount of charts? Just speculation. If they could figure out a way to get it back in it'd be great though, I was a fan even if I was in this apparently in this infinitesimal minority I keep hearing about. You must be the other guy that played then.

Was a hit at my parties though, love to see it come back.