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Old 01-06-2008, 09:07 AM
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well, on my first day of getting rock band, i hooked up my drums and started to play, only to see after my 6th song that my red pad doesn't detect.

What did you guys do when your pads didn't detect for those who have had the problem.

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Old 01-06-2008, 09:59 AM
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red and blue here, I only really noticed it when I started playing songs on hard and a few on expert... when there are drum rolls.

I sent out like 5 days ago for a box to ship it to ea, and according to UPS it's still in the "billing received" phase.. so meh.

I just preface most games I play online with... well my drum pads don't respond properly so if I suck, there ya go :P (I don't know what excuse Ima use when I have working ones hehe)
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Old 01-06-2008, 03:13 PM
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well, on my first day of getting rock band, i hooked up my drums and started to play, only to see after my 6th song that my red pad doesn't detect.

What did you guys do when your pads didn't detect for those who have had the problem.

Discuss.
Same thing just happened to me. The first step is obviously to order a replacement. In the mean time, you may be able to fix it. I've fixed mine. Check out the end of this thread: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15499. I explain what I did near the end.

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Old 01-06-2008, 04:38 PM
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I think what it comes down to is that there are a few different reasons why a pad stop responding well. There are also a couple different ways to go about resolving the issue.

A number of people have had the little plug that connects the drumhead to the body come loose or, it was just never plugged in all the way. This is a really easy fix and can be identified with out even removing the drumhead. Just peak between the top and bottom gap on the offending pad and see if the plug is in the clip. If it isn't, put it back in the clip. Problem solved.

The second reason does not seem to be fully understood by a lot of people. I can try and explain it as best I can. The sensor that detects a hit is a type of transducer. It takes the vibration (energy) of the drum strike and converts it into a signal that a hit has occurred. These particular sensors ability to convert your hit to a signal can lessen over time. Time is not so much a factor as hard strikes can cause hairline fractures in the surface of the sensor. This increases resistance and often results in a "dead area" feeling on the drum head, or it takes a harder hit. Other manifestation is roll detection. Rapid hits become tough to translate into individual strikes.

The sensor is mounted dead center in the drumhead. A single sharp direct hit or a "frustration hit", as was likely the case with mine, could cause the beginning of a crack in the sensors material. A downward spiral of notes that I was certain were hits and friends saying, "I know I hit the green pad WTF!"

So what can you do about it?
The first thing is prevention. I know its fun to play these things hard. I personally love to. However, you will at some point fracture that sensor with the perfect hard, dead center hit. If you have to play hard (which you don't), I strongly recommend one of the neoprene pad mods.

If it has already happened, obviously warranty replacement is an option for now for most of us. I think most us know the deal by know with the long waits and credit card holds. I am not knocking that process. It seems a lot of people have had success with it.

Outside of warranty, I can tell you what isn't a good idea. Pennies of anything else that increases pressure on the sensor. That route may buy you a short time while waiting for a replacement but that "fix", will actually make things worse by putting further pressure on a cracked sensor.

So heres the pitch. As mentioned earlier in this post, my green pad stopped working nearly all together right before New Years. My wife and I were carting Rock Band all over the place for the holidays to have our families and non-gamer friends join in on the fun. My kit travels A LOT. After the third demo day in a row I started to notice everyone complaining about green not working most of the time. I checked the plug and all was well in that department. So I didn't know what to do. All I knew was that I didn't want to wait weeks or even to many days to get my drums back. That night I tore into my pad and discovered my sensors "brains", in pieces. It was only being held together by the taped on bandage looking material that some of you may have seen in the www.oxm.com article on the drumset. Upon pulling off the tape I realized I would need to do something about the situation myself because at that point I had obviously voided my warranty.

After a lot of investigation and cross reference with component specs I was able to source replacement sensors. I bought enough to fix my set and have a few on hand for friends. The rest I am selling on ebay. I made a detailed set of instructions and include things you will need to install the sensor properly. Its not hard and can be done pretty quickly. The sensors work FLAWLESSLY. I will be posting a link to a youtube video of my sensor working for the skeptics.

So yes I am selling something. Something I would have gladly paid for if it had existed when I was searching for it. It was a lot of work to get the right piece and now that work is done for anyone that is interested.

I would be happy to answer any questions with in reason.

Here is a link to the auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE:IT&ih=011
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Old 01-06-2008, 06:53 PM
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The thing with the piezos is that they're not fixed mounted on the pad. So if you do give it a really large hit, there's a spring that tensions the piezo to the head that should compress. Agreed, it's likely the crystal will deteriorate with time, but not in the time we've had.

I'm not saying that changing out your sensor didn't fix your issue. I'm just saying that it's just as likely that that brand you bought is more sensative that the model they're using on the rockband pads, as it is that yours was damaged.

There's myriad reasons why the pads don't work for some people. Some is technique, some is calibration, some are sticks, and some are just defects in the pads. I do know the one person I've run into that claimed faulty pads, I went downstairs and tried it out, and it played fine for me after I calibrated it. It wasn't the pads.
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Old 01-06-2008, 07:38 PM
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In my case there was absolutely no question that the piezo was cracked. Both solder connections were in tact, there was a fracture in the material across the entire piece.

I don't know how closely you have inspected the spring mechanism, but it is basically fully compressed. I really think its there more to maintain pressure on the mounting surface then to absorb energy. The foam inserts on the other hand. I mean, the transducer requires the impact to create the signal.

I will also say that although I have no empirical evidence to support this claim,(nice right), my replaced sensor requires a great deal less pressure to register a hit. It was a welcome plus.

In any event, healthy discussion on this topic can only result in better performing drums.
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Old 01-06-2008, 09:22 PM
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well, having playing on the drums only 3 hours after i bought it, its defently not a sensor problem. the drum detects NOTHING. not if i hit it softly, hardly. shields, i believe your right, fck im not waiting 3 weeks for a new drums if i can fix it now and there. im a newb techy so i will need a guide on how to fix the plug, i looked through the crack all i see is foam and stuff. a guide will really help me shields and i will recommend you, thanks man.
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:41 PM
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No problem fish. With yours it really sounds like either the plug is out or one of the two solder connections is broken.

The fix for problem 1 is as easy as removing the offending colors pad from the base. Because its your red pad that is giving you grief it will be a bit easier to inspect. Removing the red pad is as easy as locating the 4 rubber pegs on the underside of the red drum. These are just press fit. Gently pull up on the pad while pushing up on the rubber peg from underneath. Pop up one at a time until all four are free. Check the plug to make sure its in the little socket. This is truly simple. It either is or it isn't. If it is in, the next step would be to unscrew the two small phillips head screws that hold the orange spring holder in place. At this point the sensor is just sitting in the location ring. It will be covered in a thing that looks like a bandage. If one of the solder connections is broken either the black or blue wire will be loose under the bandage. If you choose to try and remove the bandage to inspect more closely be VERY careful. The adhesive is strong enough to damage the sensor if it is cracked. you have said that you are getting nothing so I assume you will not have to much of an issue seeing the problem.

If the solder connection is broken off the sensor it can either be re-soldered, or the sensor that I sell comes with crimp connectors to attach to the old wires without soldering if you choose to go that route. Detailed instructions are also included.(with pics)

Its worth saying that you obviously have the option of warranty.

God luck man!
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Old 01-06-2008, 11:53 PM
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will doing this void the warranty?
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Old 01-07-2008, 12:12 AM
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xFiShx, removing the drum pad will certainly void the warranty.


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