Alien Ant Farm and the RBN!

[Catch-22]

What bothers me the most is that the vocals problem apparently HAD been pointed out before during peer review and either the authors decided it wasn't worth changing it and re-uploaded the same chart, or deemed the complaint about the vocals incorrect and thought the vocals were correctly charted - both of which would be pretty awful things to do in terms of being an author, especially of an issue this egregious

I can kind no evidence anyone made specific reference to the issues listed here. One person provided vague generalities but that's hardly the same thing.

[ForToday777]

I can say im glad the bug was caught before it was released for a length of time. I understand that its a problem but its really not a huge deal as some people are making it. Many people who don't follow the forums wont even realize there was a bug. A bunch of my friends buy dlc from rbn and I'm just saying that just ecause there is a bug does not illegitimize the rbn for the average consumer. They still plan to buy dlc as much as they've been doing. Of course users that use the forums regularly will know of this problem. Its not a big deal, I am excited as everyone else about AAF. And ASP I still love you guys can't wait for more tracks.

This is the view of me and me only, not TAG.

[DeadPlayer]

Its not a big deal, I am excited as everyone else about AAF. And ASP I still love you guys can't wait for more tracks.

Well you don't seem to be netural, I will say that much.

[SirDavidTLynch]

It's not a minor bug. The way the song was charted doesn't match up with the actual vocal performance. It might be fine for people who just mumble along the pitch line, but for people who know the song (the ones who are most likely to want to sing it) and want to sing the words as they're sung, they end up failing for singing correctly. Look at the videos. Even with no guide pitch and full speed, the mistakes are obvious.

As for the "people who don't peer review every single song are responsible for bad charts that pass" thing, don't songs only get six reviews? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that there are more than six RBN authors/testers.

[SFen24X]

I think it's ten.

[kingtonyx]

...assume that there are more than six RBN authors/testers.

probably not many more than that though to be honest :/

[ForToday777]

Im neutral on the whole issue im just saying I love ASP for the music they brought to the game thus far and are bringing to RBN.

[DavyinaToga]

As for the "people who don't peer review every single song are responsible for bad charts that pass" thing, don't songs only get six reviews? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that there are more than six RBN authors/testers.

Six reviews are needed to pass a build, but that means any previous builds can get up to 5 passes before being failed. I'm aware of at least three different builds of Movies in PR, which is a otential 16 different pairs of eyes to miss it.

[wesjett08]

As for the "people who don't peer review every single song are responsible for bad charts that pass" thing, don't songs only get six reviews? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that there are more than six RBN authors/testers.

True that only 6 Peer Reviews are needed to pass any given version, but this should have been caught early in Playtesting which any number of people can do.

[Splync]

this should have been caught early in Playtesting which any number of people can do.

Except that it was caught, and completely ignored. It was even mentioned in this very thread, and I quote:

Just wanted to point out that I failed this song in the first version of Peer Review with the following comments: "Vocals: Need a ton of work still. All of the tubes in the entire first verse are about an 8th note late, and the tail end of many tubes throughout the entire song are way too long and catching consonant sounds - "motion", "seem", "wrong", "taste" "rain", and that's just in the first verse." Point is, the vocal issues were pointed out, but beyond that point it's the author's responsibility to fix them.

I failed the track another 3 or 4 times over the next few months for drum issues afterwards, but I went on tour for two weeks in August and the song inexplicably passed in the meantime.

But nope! Totally my fault for not playtesting the song despite the fact that it was already mentioned that the vocals were crap...