The totally not rock US government

[IbanezBassist_v2]

And ultimately it is we that put them there.

[lithiumkc]

And ultimately it is we that put them there.

If you in fact believe that they won the first election fair and square. Which is altogether another huge deception in itself imo.

I wonder how completely different the world would be today if Gore had rightfully been put into office.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

The world wouldn't be any different. Maybe our country, but not the world. Thing is, IMO, that Bush did a good thing by defending our country. Did he do it fashionable or even invade the right country, who knows (except him and his advisors). Unfortunately Bush doesn't make all the decisions and he is a pawn. He makes the decisions, but he doesn't come up with the plans. I blame him for his lack of common sense, but his advisors are the ones that led him and us to believe that going to war with Iraq would be the right course of action.

[lithiumkc]

The world wouldn't be any different. Maybe our country, but not the world. Thing is, IMO, that Bush did a good thing by defending our country. Did he do it fashionable or even invade the right country, who knows (except him and his advisors). Unfortunately Bush doesn't make all the decisions and he is a pawn. He makes the decisions, but he doesn't come up with the plans. I blame him for his lack of common sense, but his advisors are the ones that led him and us to believe that going to war with Iraq would be the right course of action.

I disagree with that opinion. There are a helllll of a lot of new processes and security measures in place simply due to the US government (And britain, but they didn't initiate it so much). Maybe not the entire world, but most industrialized countries like mine, yours, and in europe would be far different than they are today.

Bush may be a pawn, but Gore sure as hell wouldn't have been. And bush does have common sense. He is knowingly a contributor to everything going on, and he had the power to do whatever he wanted. He chose to go with daddys war. He knew full well that the war was unjust before he went in there, period.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Bush may be a pawn, but Gore sure as hell wouldn't have been. And bush does have common sense. He is knowingly a contributor to everything going on, and he had the power to do whatever he wanted. He chose to go with daddy's war. He knew full well that the war was unjust before he went in there, period.

Ehh. I imagine that Gore would have done the same thing Clinton did. FOR GOD SAKES! We were "attacked" several times and nothing was ever done. No repercussion, no consequence. NADA! Remember when the USS Cole was attacked. Nothing done! Remember when the WTC was bombed before it was destroyed. Nothing.

This is an argument that can't be won on either side. Opinions and ideals are far too different and a conclusion never really develops.

[lithiumkc]

Ehh. I imagine that Gore would have done the same thing Clinton did. FOR GOD SAKES! We were "attacked" several times and nothing was ever done. No repercussion, no consequence. NADA! Remember when the USS Cole was attacked. Nothing done! Remember when the WTC was bombed before it was destroyed. Nothing.

This is an argument that can't be won on either side. Opinions and ideals are far too different and a conclusion never really develops.

I agree, it's pure speculation to say anything regarding if gore got in office.. but.. I strongly believe it would be a lot different in north america today. The republicans view on how to run the country (and the world, as it is a fact that you guys have the most say) is far different than the dems. It's almost impossible to think it would be like this just judging by the sheer number of contrasting opinions of each party.

And then theres the 9/11 conspiracy theories.. while they may not have done it themselves, theres a good chance they could have let it happen.. Ever hear about that CIA operative who told the organization not once, not twice, not even ten times, but 70 TIMES that they were planning something before it happened. And he was ignored every time. This is a documented fact.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Ever hear about that CIA operative who told the organization not once, not twice, not even ten times, but 70 TIMES that they were planning something before it happened. And he was ignored every time. This is a documented fact.

Thats not conspiracy, thats stupidity. Our government believes (or did) believe that we as a country are impenetrable. I guess those terrorist showed them.

[lithiumkc]

Thats not conspiracy, thats stupidity. Our government believes (or did) believe that we as a country are impenetrable. I guess those terrorist showed them.

Its not outright stupidity. Some of the claims that there were missiles and bs like that are stupidity. But 70 times man? Youre telling me that if somebody came to you 70 times telling you that your house was going to be lit on fire next week, and every time you just flipped the bird to him and then it happened anyways, that theres nothing wrong with that?

That is at the very least gross negligence. To not even look into it at all. Either gross negligence or they knew something he didn't. And either way it means that it did not have to happen that way.

Remember that conspiracy theories about missiles and **** are all speculation, but this specific point is FACT. 70 times.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Its not outright stupidity. Some of the claims that there were missiles and bs like that are stupidity. But 70 times man? Youre telling me that if somebody came to you 70 times telling you that your house was going to be lit on fire next week, and every time you just flipped the bird to him and then it happened anyways, that theres nothing wrong with that?

I'm simply saying it was stupidity on our govenments part to not take heed of the warnings being given....

[BoWeevil]

You vote new people into office and before you
know it they turn out be clones of the ones
you just voted out.