big jumps in pro guitar :-(

[rrwoods]

Rooster, for example. I appreciate that they want the player to always have something to do, and so when there's a lead part you're playing it and when there isn't you're playing rhythm. But is it really necessary to chart a 5th fret chord followed a quarter note later with a note on the 16th fret? Wasn't this something the pro authors have explicitly said their trying to avoid?

Bad Moon Rising is an even better example, where you're playing a pretty quick rhythm part, then you have to jump up for a quick --12-9-- on the high E, and then right back into the rhythm part. Really the lead parts in this song are tightly spaced enough that I wouldn't feel at all gypped by not having the rhythm in between.

[ChodTheWacko]

is it really necessary to chart a 5th fret chord followed a quarter note later with a note on the 16th fret? Wasn't this something the pro authors have explicitly said their trying to avoid?

Bad Moon Rising is an even better example, where you're playing a pretty quick rhythm part, then you have to jump up for a quick --12-9-- on the high E, and then right back into the rhythm part. Really the lead parts in this song are tightly spaced enough that I wouldn't feel at all gypped by not having the rhythm in between.

Why do you think this wouldn't be allowed?
Do you think normally it's played by two separate guitarists and Harmonix is unfairly blending the two parts? I'm pretty sure it's played by one guitarist and therefore it is fair game.

Large fret shifts are fairly common - the more you practice the better you'll get at them.

- Frank

[Funk-n-stein]

I hear what you're saying, but I disagree. I'd rather have as much charted as possible. Those jumps are difficult, but not impossible. The way I see it, learning to overcome those challenges is helping me get better at playing guitar.

[rrwoods]

It is played by two separate guitarists. I'm not saying the decision is "wrong", since even the pro transcriptions are going to be subjective. I'm pointing out that they have explicitly stated they would be mindful of things that work in five-button that don't in pro. Obviously that statement is still open to interpretation (that is to say, its meaning is ... subjective), but in my mind a quick switch from rhythm to lead is something that doesn't "work" in pro when the jump is 12+ frets.

Situations where it really is one guitarist wouldn't bug me as much, though I haven't seen that. Or situations where it's two in the studio but one live (possibly just one in the studio but they're playing over themselves) and in live performances they really do make those jumps. That wouldn't bug me so much either. But I haven't seen any examples of either of these.

Really I guess this is just an opinion rant. From my position as someone who's trying to use pro to learn to play more songs on guitar, it's frustrating to see situations where the pro chart is arguably more difficult than the actual song is.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

Old songs weren't charted with Pro guitar in mind, so any shifts like that on older upgrades are a necessary sacrifice.

[PaperMario21]

Old songs weren't charted with Pro guitar in mind, so any shifts like that on older upgrades are a necessary sacrifice.

That actually has nothing to do with it.
Parts are blended on majority of the tracks (where there are two guitarists at least).

[KMO_2000]

No, he's right. If the chart is switching between lead and rhythm, the audio tracks will be switching too.

When you're playing lead, the lead guitar will be in the "guitar" stem, and the rhythm will be in the "background" stem.

When you're playing rhythm, the rhythm guitar will be in the "guitar" stem, and the lead will be in the "background" stem.

The chart for guitar has to follow whatever is in the "guitar" stem so that the right part is emphasised (and gets overdrive effects) and the right part cuts out if you miss a note.

This will be clearer if you turn the "background" audio level down.

So on old tracks, the Pro Guitar chart has to follow the splitting choices made in the original audio multitrack setup when they were only thinking of 5-button Guitar.

[PaperMario21]

No, he's right. If the chart is switching between lead and rhythm, the audio tracks will be switching too.

When you're playing lead, the lead guitar will be in the "guitar" stem, and the rhythm will be in the "background" stem.

When you're playing rhythm, the rhythm guitar will be in the "guitar" stem, and the lead will be in the "background" stem.

The chart for guitar has to follow whatever is in the "guitar" stem so that the right part is emphasised (and gets overdrive effects) and the right part cuts out if you miss a note.

This will be clearer if you turn the "background" audio level down.

So on old tracks, the Pro Guitar chart has to follow the splitting choices made in the original audio multitrack setup when they were only thinking of 5-button Guitar.

It all depends on how original track is mixed.
If the Bad Moon Rising was the RB3 mix, it would still play like it plays.

[Doom878]

Does Rope do this since there's 3 guitarists?

[KMO_2000]

It all depends on how original track is mixed.
If the Bad Moon Rising was the RB3 mix, it would still play like it plays.

Are you saying that song hasn't actually separated the two guitar parts in the mix, so they're both always in the Guitar stem? Possible, and if so, then yes, you could chart it differently. I don't know the song though. The drawback with such a mix is that if you miss a note, both parts cut out, including the one you're not "playing", so they would normally have tried to avoid that.

One example that springs to mind is "The Power Of Love". The Keys and Pro Keys chart different parts at one point in the middle - presumably both parts are incorporated in the same Keys stem. I'll have to check.