I think 10 points is enough forever. NO MORE POINTS.
I want to get new points when a band from my wishlist is announced.
It would be more fair if everyone got more points on a regular basis (weekly/monthly, etc).
It would be more fair if everyone got more points for special occasions (holidays, anniversaries).
Points should be special rewards given to contest winners.
I want more points but I don't know how / when I want them?
I have a better idea and I will post in in the thread!
Yeah, I know
Don't worry about me too much. I'm less fretting and more kind of fascinated thinking about the ways HMX can knowingly or unknowingly influence the output of the App by distributing points around.
Really, I started that treatise as a response to GNF, but it took all of that thought to come down to what I think is the point HMX should be considering, which is the positive feedback loop characteristics of rewarding liking bands that get released. As long as Henry seriously considers that point for a moment I'll consider the discussion useful.
I'm not arguing there will be a dramatic effect of rewarding points this way, I'm just pointing out there will be an effect. There will be an effect no matter how you reward extra points, but if there's a correlation between who gets points and what genres they're likely to vote for you get much more of an effect than otherwise.
Now, to reward the courtesy and respect I just got with same:
Just because it's possible to game my proposed negative feedback loop doesn't mean the positive feedback loop is no longer a problem. You keep drilling down to individual behavior, which doesn't matter because the system is made up of lots of individuals. What matters is the overall behavior trends that will be encouraged and rewarded by the system, and that will be determined by what rules HMX establishes.
Last edited by cwilbur; 01-20-2012 at 09:10 PM. Reason: minor addition, removed a confusing double negative
I've been using the app for a short while now, and while I think it's amusing to see the numbers for specific artists alternate day to day when I check, I sometimes have mixed feelings putting my points towards certain bands that I actually would really like to see songs from.
This mostly occurs for me with bands who already have content on the platform. I'd almost always rather put my vote towards an artist who doesn't have any DLC or on-disc songs than towards a band with either a bountiful supply or even just a small smattering of songs. But it's not that I don't want those bands, I just feel they're not worth putting my votes toward when I can already boot up the game and go play some of their content.
A prime example for me is Avenged Sevenfold. Not that I have anything against them (I have five of their songs in my library), but they currently have ten songs on the RB platform, and while there clearly is a demand for them (they are of course sitting at #1), I feel it's shifting the polling in a sort of big way, and I almost wish their vote was separated from all the other bands no content whatsoever. And this goes for everyone; the big hitters (Green Day, Foo Fighters, and even The Beatles, just to name a few), and the one hit wonders.
I'd love to see two separate columns (10 points for each), one for bands that have already graced us with their presence on RB, and one for artists we'd love to see make it to the platform. I'm not sure what this would mean for artists currently only on RBN, or artists that have only had covers in the game (Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, etc.), but I think it'd be a great way to show which bands we want more of, and which we just plain want to see.
Oh, and I know that it's already been thoroughly covered but... more points to vote with would always be great.
U2 / ELP / Bruce S. / CSN / ELO / BTO / ZZ TOP / The Fray / Ted Nugent / Bob Seger & TSBB /The Eagles / Steppenwolf
One way to reward people who haven't had their songs chosen might be to give points to anyone who has listed an underdog artist with a ranking of 1000 or less. Maybe a one-off diversity bonus for anyone who has all of their points distributed to at least five different artists. A Grammy's tie-in might be points for anyone who has listed an artist that wins an award on the night.
Can more than ten points be put on the one artist? If not, it would be interesting to award points to people who have all of their eggs in one basket.
Avenged Sevenfold is currently the highest-ranked artist in the Dashboard Wishlist. If more DLC were to be released from them, many people would have their wishes fulfilled. It would be appropriate for their standing in the list to drop until such time as people reinvested their points in them.
"God Knows..." by Aya Hirano - from Haruhi Suzumiya
"Otherworld" by The Black Mages
"Storywriter" by Supercar - from Eureka Seven
I don't get why A7X is number 1 we already have 10 songs from them and they only have 5 albums.
Only 2 of which are good.
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