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[dog037]

It's awesome.

[cwilbur]

^ I think you're fretting over this a wee bit too much.

Yeah, I know

Don't worry about me too much. I'm less fretting and more kind of fascinated thinking about the ways HMX can knowingly or unknowingly influence the output of the App by distributing points around.

Really, I started that treatise as a response to GNF, but it took all of that thought to come down to what I think is the point HMX should be considering, which is the positive feedback loop characteristics of rewarding liking bands that get released. As long as Henry seriously considers that point for a moment I'll consider the discussion useful.

those five bands alone cover a lot of ground in terms of genres (classic rock, nü-metal, southern rock, pop-rock, alternative) and decades (60s-00s).

A lot of ground, yes. All? ...

I'm not arguing there will be a dramatic effect of rewarding points this way, I'm just pointing out there will be an effect. There will be an effect no matter how you reward extra points, but if there's a correlation between who gets points and what genres they're likely to vote for you get much more of an effect than otherwise.

Now, to reward the courtesy and respect I just got with same:

blah blah blah totally irrelvnt stuff bout individual peepls

Your arguments are so logically flawed that there's no further point in discussing this with you, because obviously nothing constructive can come of it, so this will be my last post on this topic. I've had my say, and if someone at HMX reads it and at least considers my concerns then I've done what I set out to do.

Man, what a flawless idea! Until I put artists I like that have a high chance of showing up on the hate list. Suddenly, it becomes EXACTLY WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

Wow, that was useful input. Thanks for refining the idea or proposing a better course of action. Oh wait, you didn't.

Just because it's possible to game my proposed negative feedback loop doesn't mean the positive feedback loop is no longer a problem. You keep drilling down to individual behavior, which doesn't matter because the system is made up of lots of individuals. What matters is the overall behavior trends that will be encouraged and rewarded by the system, and that will be determined by what rules HMX establishes.

[SCFox]

I've been using the app for a short while now, and while I think it's amusing to see the numbers for specific artists alternate day to day when I check, I sometimes have mixed feelings putting my points towards certain bands that I actually would really like to see songs from.

This mostly occurs for me with bands who already have content on the platform. I'd almost always rather put my vote towards an artist who doesn't have any DLC or on-disc songs than towards a band with either a bountiful supply or even just a small smattering of songs. But it's not that I don't want those bands, I just feel they're not worth putting my votes toward when I can already boot up the game and go play some of their content.

A prime example for me is Avenged Sevenfold. Not that I have anything against them (I have five of their songs in my library), but they currently have ten songs on the RB platform, and while there clearly is a demand for them (they are of course sitting at #1), I feel it's shifting the polling in a sort of big way, and I almost wish their vote was separated from all the other bands no content whatsoever. And this goes for everyone; the big hitters (Green Day, Foo Fighters, and even The Beatles, just to name a few), and the one hit wonders.

I'd love to see two separate columns (10 points for each), one for bands that have already graced us with their presence on RB, and one for artists we'd love to see make it to the platform. I'm not sure what this would mean for artists currently only on RBN, or artists that have only had covers in the game (Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, etc.), but I think it'd be a great way to show which bands we want more of, and which we just plain want to see.

Oh, and I know that it's already been thoroughly covered but... more points to vote with would always be great.

[jibjqrkl]

Picture the Top 40 these days. Now remove the vocals and make the beat heavier.

and add some noises you would normally only hear at your dentist

[RockBandand24Fanatic]

I've been using the app for a short while now, and while I think it's amusing to see the numbers for specific artists alternate day to day when I check, I sometimes have mixed feelings putting my points towards certain bands that I actually would really like to see songs from.

This mostly occurs for me with bands who already have content on the platform. I'd almost always rather put my vote towards an artist who doesn't have any DLC or on-disc songs than towards a band with either a bountiful supply or even just a small smattering of songs. But it's not that I don't want those bands, I just feel they're not worth putting my votes toward when I can already boot up the game and go play some of their content.

A prime example for me is Avenged Sevenfold. Not that I have anything against them (I have five of their songs in my library), but they currently have ten songs on the RB platform, and while there clearly is a demand for them (they are of course sitting at #1), I feel it's shifting the polling in a sort of big way, and I almost wish their vote was separated from all the other bands no content whatsoever. And this goes for everyone; the big hitters (Green Day, Foo Fighters, and even The Beatles, just to name a few), and the one hit wonders.

I'd love to see two separate columns (10 points for each), one for bands that have already graced us with their presence on RB, and one for artists we'd love to see make it to the platform. I'm not sure what this would mean for artists currently only on RBN, or artists that have only had covers in the game (Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, etc.), but I think it'd be a great way to show which bands we want more of, and which we just plain want to see.

Oh, and I know that it's already been thoroughly covered but... more points to vote with would always be great.

I like this idea, 9 out of 10 of my wishlist artists are not on Rock Band, and even though the FF are my favorite band, they are not a part of my wishlist bands.

[cwilbur]

I'd love to see two separate columns (10 points for each), one for bands that have already graced us with their presence on RB, and one for artists we'd love to see make it to the platform. I'm not sure what this would mean for artists currently only on RBN, or artists that have only had covers in the game (Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, etc.), but I think it'd be a great way to show which bands we want more of, and which we just plain want to see.

I kinda like this idea too, my entire list of ten is artists not yet in RB. It would be really interesting to see the rankings of bands already in if everyone was voting for 10 points worth of them.

we don't control the brain that provides the artist names but I believe we can make suggestions to have artists added as we did for Weird Al.

On this topic, the reason I don't have Emerson, Lake and Palmer on my list is because they're not an option... wait, Weird Al is an option now? Off to adjust the list!

[ianiceboy]

FWIW this isn't the only way we're planning on doling out more points. It's just a thing we wanted to try this week. [...] We've also talked about the possibility of adding more points on a weekly / monthly basis, adding more points on special occasions (launch days, anniversaries, etc), adding more points for significant rock events (Grammys, first day of Warped Tour, etc) or making points a reward for helpful peer to peer support.

I'd rather reward people for being better members of the community... newsletter subscribers, podcast listeners, retweeters of DLC announcements, RBN supporters, helpful posters, etc.

I like these ideas, although I'm not clear on how peer support recognition would work. Having a variety of potential sources for points seems like a good idea. If points are to be awarded for correct guesses, my preference would be that these not apply for pre-announced artists - unless it's based on who listed them before the announcement, which may be an undesirable approach. Or perhaps just award points for correct artists guesses only sometimes.

One way to reward people who haven't had their songs chosen might be to give points to anyone who has listed an underdog artist with a ranking of 1000 or less. Maybe a one-off diversity bonus for anyone who has all of their points distributed to at least five different artists. A Grammy's tie-in might be points for anyone who has listed an artist that wins an award on the night.

Can more than ten points be put on the one artist? If not, it would be interesting to award points to people who have all of their eggs in one basket.

People would hardly ever touch those lists though, even when songs they requested were released.

Ideally, we'd like the RB Dashboard to be a more fluid tool that people can constantly update. The addition of more points, and the ability to weight those points, will hopefully encourage people to revisit the Dashboard and make adjustments, search for songs and move things around.

Fluidity is desirable, but there will definitely be people who visit once and never again. I strongly believe that de-allocating points from wishlisted artists when that artist is announced (or released) would be beneficial. e.g. Two KoRn songs released, everyone who wished for KoRn has up to two points returned to them. If they wanted different KoRn tracks (or just more), they can put those points right back into the category, but at least they're freed up to potentially be put towards other artists they like.

Avenged Sevenfold is currently the highest-ranked artist in the Dashboard Wishlist. If more DLC were to be released from them, many people would have their wishes fulfilled. It would be appropriate for their standing in the list to drop until such time as people reinvested their points in them.

[M_Robbins5]

I don't get why A7X is number 1 we already have 10 songs from them and they only have 5 albums.
Only 2 of which are good.

[SuperTigerMario]

I don't get why A7X is number 1 we already have 10 songs from them and they only have 5 albums.
Only 2 of which are good.

Probably the huge fan base of young stupid people.

[MagicMurderBag7]

Probably the huge fan base of young stupid people.

Hmm Hmm