THE NUMBERS AREN'T THERE, i.e., Here's why there won't be any more Beatles DLC:

[gdBOOM]

Um...except for the scores you posted, pretty much everything about that post was wrong. In particular



Link? Because I'm pretty sure the exact opposite was said, that HMX would love to do more Beatles DLC, but it's not something they can just do at the drop of a hat.

Okay, your point is well taken. However, read between the lines:

There are a myriad of legal and technical concerns, not the least of which is releasing DLC for a 4-instrument game a year-plus after only Pro-enabled DLC has come out. And releasing DLC for a two-going on-three-year old title. And....a bunch of other stuff.

Exactly the point I'm trying to make, but apparently I failed in my attempt. There's not going to be any more Beatles DLC. It's too expensive, even though Harmonix is really into the Beatles. The cost is too great. The numbers aren't there to justify the expense.

The Beatles are the highest selling DLC band in HMX history, and it's not even close. Sales don't have nothing to do with it, and maybe Apple Records feels that the sales are below their requirements (but that again would seem to fall under "other considerations"), but that's not the first, second, or twentieth reason. The sales have been good.

It's my understanding, and I may be wrong about this, by God, and if so, my bad... but I heard last year, around the time that the end of GH was announced, that the RB franchise had not yet (at that time) made a profit, and this included TB:RB. Now, this may no longer be true for RB3, but it's clear to me that since a full two years have passed since the last DLC was released for this game, and no announcements of any new DLC on the way have been made, that this is essentially a dead, unsupported game that still has an audience of die-hard fans, but the numbers are shrinking. BTW, how would I go about quoting from more than one message in the same reply?

[gdBOOM]

If The Beatles DLC flopped, so did the entire Rock Band catalog.

Now, I never said it flopped. All I said is that the numbers aren't there to support the cost of any MORE DLC. The initial 3 albums were obviously part of the original deal, thus I would bet that their costs were figured in to the original game development expenses. And obviously, no deal has been made for any further music. And thus, we can say with complete confidence that we've gotten all we're going to get for THIS game!

[gdBOOM]

Why is he using people who get FCs on Expert as an example of a lack of an audience? I don't see the connection.

Well, why are you asking THEM? Ask ME, I'm the only one who can answer for myself. Unless, of course, the question was rhetorical? Hey, was his question rhetorical?

[gdBOOM]

Yup, that's the classic "everybody must play on expert~!" fallacy. I didn't bother to bring up the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who play Rock Band play on Medium...

Is this true? I mean, I play guitar and bass on medium, but I've been trying to conquer hard, because eventually I'd like to get every achievement from this game. Don't get me started on achievements, though, because that's a whole other ball of wax!

...and in an arguably even more "casual gamer" friendly title like TB:RB, drum #1's (expert FC's with the optimal path) are even more meaningless.

Well, now that's just hurtful! Everybody tries to dis Ringo and say he was so simple, and in fact some of the tracks weren't that hard to master. And I'll admit that the optimal path is sometimes hard to find, so that in itself keeps a lot of people from achieving #1 ranks. In fact, I haven't found it yet for Yellow Submarine or A Hard Day's Night, two of the easiest songs to get 100% on but seemingly impossible to get to #1 on. Now, on the former, I'm unable to get any closer than 1000 points from #1, and I'm ranked 366. Initially, it was 364, but two more people have managed to break through that barrier within the last 9 months, bringing the total number of people who have managed to find a better path than me to 365. I don't even know how many of us there are at 365, but it's probably not a whole lot, as the track that got me to this spot took a lot of trial and error to find, more than the casual gamer is going to try, anyhow. So, yeah, that's definitely going to keep the number of people at #1 low, for those songs. But that's what's so weird about this game: It's not the drumming in itself but the strategy of when to go into OD that gets you to the top. And then again, sometimes it IS the drumming. Ringo's NOT all that easy on a lot of these songs, and I assure you that my #1 positions are NOT meaningless, any more than any other gamer score from any games whatsoever. Even LESS meaningless than those, actually, because I can apply these motions to a real drumset, and actually play these songs for real. And when I nail a vocal harmony, that's something I'm really doing. Not the same thing can be said for bass or guitar, nor in fact for many other games at all. So, yeah, not meaningless at all!

[lvmathemagician]

Well, why are you asking THEM? Ask ME, I'm the only one who can answer for myself. Unless, of course, the question was rhetorical? Hey, was his question rhetorical?

WHy didn't you answer the question? I smell troll.

[SheSaidSheSaid]

Multi-quote button. Please use it.

[gdBOOM]

Exactly. There could be 2 people with an FC and 20,000 with 99%. You can't expect everyone to be amazing.

I'm not expecting everyone to be amazing. Is that what it sounds like? But some of these songs, well, I'm just blown away by how few people there are at or even near the top. That's another thing, I'm NOT using FCs to make my point, but I AM using the leaderboards overall. And there ARE players on medium and hard listed on a lot of the leaderboards. Here's what I'm saying: using the leaderboards, I can get a rough estimate of how many people play this game on X-Box. I figure it's about the same for Playstation, and I've heard that Wii has MAYBE 10% of the TOTAL audience, so about 5% of the number on X-Box, I think? See, here's the thing... I thought the number was in the MILLIONS, but it's NOT! It's only in the Hundred-Thousands, and of those, probably only 10% are currently active and online. Now, you gave me an example number of 20,002. Perhaps fortunately, the number IS quite larger than that, but still substantially less than I had assumed, and in the end, not enough to sustain our thirst for more. There's just not enough of US (you guys and me, all of us who want nothing more than MORE!), and even though Harmonix keeps making statements that seem hopeful on the surface, it's really a false hope they're sustaining, which at this stage seems cruel to me. They won't say it, so I will: There will never be another DLC title made available for TB:RB. That's reality, my friends. So sure am I of this statement, that IF I'm EVER proven wrong, the new DLC is on me, my treat, 100% free for anyone and everyone who wants to throw my words in my face. And I'd be absolutely delighted for that to happen, but it's not going to. THAT, ultimately, is the point I'm trying to make. All of your nitpicking on my numbers isn't going to change the fact that TB:RB has a total of 73 songs available, and that number will never change.

[gdBOOM]

Plus, drums aren't even the biggest instrument crowd.

That has nothing to do with the point I was attempting to make. I was merely using my OWN experience to relate a more general truth to the world. In no way was I attempting to imply that the drums by themselves tell the whole story (even if they do, lol)!

[SwordofWhedon]

But they wouldn't be included under the heavy restrictions that the Beatles masters would, nor, given the large number of McCartney tracks already available, be restricted to the Beatles game

[gdBOOM]

I'd like to point out that, while I disagree with the OP and agree with all the replies, actually what I was going to say would be quite obvious.

Any Beatles DLC would sell better if it were compatible with Rock Band 3 - duh. Infact, that is what has kept me from buying any Beatles DLC, because I don't normally play the game because I'm lazy and hate switching discs. Do want me some more Beatles, though.

Okay, now, maybe THAT'S the REAL problem. YOU don't understand that this is an enclosed, self-contained game and it will NEVER have RB3 compatibility. Your "laziness" speaks for countless others who didn't purchase DLC, and whatever you say your reason is, the truth is you're just not that into it, so you don't really care whether any new content comes out or not. It's NEVER going to come out for RB3. Do you REALLY care? No, obviously you don't care one way or the other.

See, I'm sure you play OTHER games, right? Halo, maybe? Or even Guitar Hero? ANYTHING other than RB3 and maybe an occasional session of TB:RB? Because you have to change discs, right? If RB3 is the ONLY game you play, then your point would be well-taken, but if you play any other game, you change the disc. I actually have a lot of other games, but I never play them. I have TB:RB on 75% of the time, RB3 the other 25%. I wish I didn't have to get up to eat dinner, but I'm not going to stop eating due to my addiction to these two games. I'm going to get up and go eat. Hmm... I don't think I'm making my point very well. Sorry. My hands are starting to cramp and I'm getting hungry... and want to get back to playing 2112!