Before the Universe?

[beatlesfan99]

First off, I want to say I do not want to provoke any violence or bashing of peoples beliefs this is simply just something I thought of today, and would like to get opinions on it. Also, if it is deemed inappropriate for the board or goes against the rules I will be in complete compliance if it is taken down. Well here it its:


So Stephen Hawking just stole my idea...

Well, not really but it sure feels like it. I was watching a program on the discovery channel (probably premiered weeks ago anyways) where Hawking was explaining his ideas on the creation of the universe. It was mainly based on questioning if a god was necessary for the big bang theory to occur, and subsequently the creation of the universe. Near the middle of the program he mentioned the commonly accepted idea, of space and time being intertwined, and these were both created by the big bang.

That's when I paused the show and started thinking. There is a common question used by theists to disprove the big bang theory by saying "what caused the big bang theory" or "if all the universe was condensed at one point, how did it get there?" This is where my (his) idea comes to play. Going by the assumption that the universe started at one point (a small extremely dense subatomic particle) due to our observations that it is expanding, means that time itself was created as the big bang theory occured.

Now here's a little precursor to the concept. If I am holding a baseball, and I drop it, the cause would be me opening my hand, and the effect would be it falling to the floor. However this kind of rationalization of what just happened, is only due to the way we humans percieve time. Something must have happended before something else happened.

Now lets travel back to before the big bang. All the universe is at one infinitely small and dense point. Well how did that get there? Well thats the point. There doesn't need to be cause, because time hasn't been created. And the only reason we think in this linear pattern of cause and effects is due to our perception of time. Now, this may be hard to accept and understand, because well, we can't understand it!

Trying to rationalize this idea of there not needing to be cause is not contingent with our way of thinking, and cannot be measured or explained by our ways of reason.

I then pressed play, and he explained almost perfectly, exactly what I had just spent 20 minutes thinking about.

tl:dr (but you actually have to read it all to truly understand) The energy of our universe didn't need to be created, and quite frankly couldn't because there was no time for it to happen.

If this is already a pretty commonly known idea, I apologize, as I was not aware of it before today.

[GreatJedi7]

This is too smart for my feeble homeschooled brain.

[Mega-Tallica]

This is the type of stuff that blows peoples' minds.

[lvmathemagician]

That's when I paused the show and started thinking. There is a common question used by theists to disprove the big bang theory by saying "what caused the big bang theory" or "if all the universe was condensed at one point, how did it get there?"

You do realize that it was a catholic priest that gave us the big bang theory don't you?

[Dangimarocker]

This is too smart for my feeble homeschooled brain.

Don't feel bad... I'm lost too. LOL

[DAMdude]

What I believe is starting to become accepted in the scientific community. Before it was kind of pushed aside by everyone, due to the fantasticness of it.

Following "Sting Theory" and the belief and understanding that there are eleven dimensions that make of the universe. It is my belief that our universe is among trillions of trillions of different multiverse. What they all do is use and recycle themselves.

On Earth what we consider as destruction is all a part of creation. Before one can create, they must first destroy. For instance, death will fertilize the ground and bring new life. If you scale this up in the size of our universe, what is one of the most destructive things out there that we don't know hardly anything about? Blackholes. Blackholes consume and destroy everything in their path, and creating in the center of them, MAYBE, a singularity like that of the beginning of our universe.

Basically,
our universe was created from a massive blackhole of another even larger universe. Thus meaning our universe currently is making smaller universes. And so on, and so on, and so on........

[Der_Lex]

Following "Sting Theory"

The origin of the universe is all a matter of synchronicity too?

[Doc_SoCal]

The origin of the universe is all a matter of synchronicity too?

I am just happy Sting Theory won out over Bonology.

[DAMdude]

The origin of the universe is all a matter of synchronicity too?

The origin of the universe is practically understood by now. The real question is how and why. The big bang happened, but what caused it? What was before it?

[Der_Lex]

The origin of the universe is practically understood by now. The real question is how and why. The big bang happened, but what caused it? What was before it?

I'm not sure whether you missed the joke there, or simply chose to ignore it.