Coins - Questioning Their Use...

[hmxhenry]

so i played a song, spend 750 coins on a load out, earned 250coins for a 5* performance... ye i can see how long im going to get to play without having to "grind" more coins...

And if it was the first time you had played that song you would have gotten an additional 250 coins. And if you were playing it in a Score War you would have gotten an additional 250 coins if you lost and another 750 if you won. And if it was part of a goal it would have gone toward earning 2,500 coins. You don't have to grind if you take advantage of the other options available to you. I earned ~10,000 coins in just a few hours and I never played the same song twice.

let me guess, your going to sell them to us?

How would we sell you a Facebook app? You seem awfully convinced we're trying to nickel and dime people with something here and I'm not sure why, especially when we didn't charge to export the Blitz soundtrack to your RB library and we didn't charge to make the entire RB library functional in Blitz. We're not out to cheat people.

I gotta tell you though Aaron, your little RBB marketing ploy just isn't going to work on me. I won't buy more songs because of it. I buy 'em all every week anyway, so ha!

Drats, foiled again!

I appreciate HMXHenry's reply, but the coin economy thing just doesn't feel right to me. I'm not trying to be snarky, I just don't care for how it works, so it's probably not a game for me, unfortunately. That's fine, although disappointing. RB has competitive leaderboards, and you can restart as much as you want, but I guess the power-up thing is the difference. Maybe I'm just an old, jaded gamer, but I don't have the time for such an economy system where you lose progress in a sense.

That's all totally fair. None of our games will appeal to everyone, that's just the way it is. Some people may not like the game play or the coin economy or the (optional) RB World integration or the leaderboard battles and that's fine. All we can do is try to pack as much value into the game so that people are able to enjoy it either as a standalone title or for its value as RB3 DLC.

[jeronemitchell]

I think the coin system is a marketing ploy, no more, no less. You get double coins for playing new songs. In order to pile up your coins, you always want to be playing more and more different songs and explore your library. Eventually, you'll run out of songs, and buy more so that you get more coins. Same deal with the new goals system. You'll buy more songs to achieve more goals, which might not be possible otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, or calling shenanigans or anything, I just feel like that's what the intent is.

Okay... for a forum goer I believe I am on the mid-to-low level of DLC available at (including RBB) a hair over 800 songs. It will be a LONG FRIGGIN' TIME before I run out of songs, assuming I never buy another piece of DLC again... and that's pretty unlikely.

Now, for those people that have seven pieces of DLC, yes, this incentivizes the purchase of new songs. To that I say... "So?"

[grimripper82]

Okay, to further prove my point about how easy it is to get coins, I just checked the facebook app. So far, I've played 18 songs on RBB. However, I'm currently sitting at 14,450 coins. There are a few goals that I'm close to finishing, that will net me several thousand more. There's quite a few goals I haven't even started yet. Again, I'm just playing the new tracks in RB3 as I would be following the DLC release day any week of the year. No grinding involved. I've only had to select which goals I wanted to work on at any given time (up to 10 at once), and it's easy money. These goals really aren't making you jump through any hoops. They're actually very easy. If you haven't looked into yet, give it a go.

[HMXLachesis]

i mean, releasing a new game is a marketing ploy. Releasing new dlc for 250 weeks is a marketing. Yes, we want you to buy things and then play them and enjoy them. Surprise?

What are you doing?!? You're revealing the hidden agenda!

[Hairy_Cabbage]

And if it was the first time you had played that song you would have gotten an additional 250 coins. And if you were playing it in a Score War you would have gotten an additional 250 coins if you lost and another 750 if you won. And if it was part of a goal it would have gone toward earning 2,500 coins. You don't have to grind if you take advantage of the other options available to you. I earned ~10,000 coins in just a few hours and I never played the same song twice.

u make it sound like a bad thing to play the songs i enjoy, i dont have a huge library, as i havent really played any of the previous rockband games, but i downloaded a few songs which i like, and i enjoy playing them over and over as opposed to playing songs which dont appeal to me just for a coin boost.

How would we sell you a Facebook app? You seem awfully convinced we're trying to nickel and dime people with something here and I'm not sure why, especially when we didn't charge to export the Blitz soundtrack to your RB library and we didn't charge to make the entire RB library functional in Blitz. We're not out to cheat people.

The only reference to money I personally have made in this thread (as far as i can remember) was in my op referring to selling credits (and a post later about the same thing). but the fact is, money has nothing to do with this thread as i intended when i made it, in fact the only reason i even mentioned it was to provide a reason for why i thought u may have added the coins to the game in the first place. the thread was original made to show my PERSONAL dislike for the coin system. from the videos i saw, i was expecting a competitive leaderboard game, but all i really see is an occasional attempt at a good score and then some grinding, combined with the lack of core song overall leaderboards, meaning i have to own like 1K+ songs if i ever wanted to see the top page of the overall leaderboards.

but dont get me wrong, as for as the game its self is, im really enjoying it, i was only putting forward my concerns about the coins, and all that means is, i wont be playing it as much as i first intended and i wont be buying as much dlc as i first intended, i still enjoy the game, but most likely wont find myself playing much past collecting all the achievements (not inc dlc ones).

[hmxhenry]

What are you doing?!? You're revealing the hidden agenda!

NEWSFLASH: Game Studio Not a Charity, Actually Charges For Content

[Meat-Popsicle]

It's very easy to get coins, at first. It could get tricky once you run out of all of the easy challenges to complete. Sure, they can add more challenges in the future, but I'm guessing you'll never see something like "Complete 1 Funk Song, Solo" ever again, once you complete it the first time.

Yes, you can always do Score Wars, though I seem to be limited to doing only one at a time [the one that looks like it was suggested by Blitz automatically, with a random PS3 friend that owns Blitz, and with a random song that we both own?]. I don't currently have any Facebook friends that own Blitz and I might never get any - even if I buy it for all 3 of the PS3 RB3 owners that I am friends with, only 1 of them was ever willing to link their game to FB. I don't blame Harmonix for that situation, and I fully understand the real-life choices they had to make. But it makes the game play a little awkward.

[hmxhenry]

u make it sound like a bad thing to play the songs i enjoy, i dont have a huge library, as i havent really played any of the previous rockband games, but i downloaded a few songs which i like, and i enjoy playing them over and over as opposed to playing songs which dont appeal to me just for a coin boost.

I certainly wasn't trying to make it sound like it's a bad thing to play the songs you enjoy. Play whatever you like! I was only trying to illustrate that there are other ways to play the songs you like that will net you more coins.

...from the videos i saw, i was expecting a competitive leaderboard game, but all i really see is an occasional attempt at a good score and then some grinding, combined with the lack of core song overall leaderboards, meaning i have to own like 1K+ songs if i ever wanted to see the top page of the overall leaderboards.

I'm not sure I understand. There are song specific leaderboards, and someone with 750 coins has just as much of a chance getting #1 on that song as someone with 75,000 coins. We've even seen instances where people playing with no power ups outscored people with full load outs.

Or are you talking about the overall total score leaderboards? Those, as with all past RB games, do favor people that play the most songs and get the highest score on all of those songs.

but dont get me wrong, as for as the game its self is, im really enjoying it, i was only putting forward my concerns about the coins, and all that means is, i wont be playing it as much as i first intended and i wont be buying as much dlc as i first intended, i still enjoy the game, but most likely wont find myself playing much past collecting all the achievements (not inc dlc ones).

I'm glad you're digging Blitz, even if you're not crazy about the economy.

[Hairy_Cabbage]

Or are you talking about the overall total score leaderboards? Those, as with all past RB games, do favor people that play the most songs and get the highest score on all of those songs.

Yes, this is the leaderboard i was referring too, you should consider adding an additional leaderboard for the core game songs only, it would be MUCH appreciated by me and many other people im sure, were not all made of money im afraid, doesn't mean we don't want a chance at the top spot.

as for the coins, im not hugely sad about it, i mean, i was a tad annoyed when i first realised but eh, whats a few days grinding coins to play for highscores with, right? :P

[HMXMister_Game]

I had a dream that you could trade in 1,000,000 coins to get to make up clues for DLC for a day.

That's a GREAT idea. Start saving.

Yes, this is the leaderboard i was referring too, you should consider adding an additional leaderboard for the core game songs only, it would be MUCH appreciated by me and many other people im sure, were not all made of money im afraid, doesn't mean we don't want a chance at the top spot.

Pretty unlikely that we could patch this into the game, but it's certainly something we might add to the Facebook App. How would you feel about that?