PS3: Missing almost HALF of Trophies for Blitz?

[MurphyRock]

I'm totally willing to believe this is Sony's fault - note that I did say "stupid reason".

Let's get someone from Harmonix in this thread to say it, though. Sony's method of deciding which games get platinum trophies (usually all retail games, but also some downloadable games), which games get DLC trophies (you know, the trophies with a + on them) and which downloadable full games only get a limited set of trophies seems to be completely schizophrenic. It seems to be related to price of the game, but only vaguely.

I understand why Blitz might not be allowed a platinum - hey, it's only a $15 game, I get it, Sony doesn't want their "trophy economy" ruined or whatever. Still, it's hard to believe that Blitz wouldn't be allowed to add those DLC trophies - the Rock Band series has got to be the biggest pusher of DLC that exists on PSN! Did Harmonix even attempt to "apply for" (whatever the process is) DLC trophies for Blitz?

[Alpha2]

Looking at a list of PSN downloadable titles the majority of them are games that are offer on disc as well as downloadable if not in North America than in other other regions where the trophy counts would normally be the same. The few that are not seem to due to either an episodic nature where multiple installments might eventually add up to what would be considered a full retail game, a couple of them might be due to just not having enough trophy entries to spread the points to which allowed them to just pour the excess points into a platinum(this is complete conjecture here at the end though, I haven't explored the list in super through detail).

Regardless I'm pretty sure Sony's trophy strategy was designed to put less emphasis on individual points and more on the trophy gain otherwise they'd just use the same point totals as MS.

[SheSaidSheSaid]

Sony's method of deciding which games get platinum trophies (usually all retail games, but also some downloadable games), which games get DLC trophies (you know, the trophies with a + on them) and which downloadable full games only get a limited set of trophies seems to be completely schizophrenic.

The only downloadable games that have platinum trophies are the downloadable versions of full retail games. For instance, I downloaded LA Noire from the PSN Store. It has a platinum trophy (which by the way I have ). I also downloaded I Am Alive, Hydrophobia Prophecy, and Revenge of the Wounded Dragons. All have trophies, but none have platinums, because they're not full retail games. I have 100 percent of the trophies from I Am Alive, but that's it -- 100 percent, no platinum.

This is always how it will be in terms of what does and doesn't get a platinum trophy. The very first few PS3 retail games didn't have trophies at all (the original Assassin's Creed is a notable example) but for everything else, retail releases have platinums (and about 3 times as many trophies anyway), while lower-dollar download titles like Blitz don't.

As far as the trophies with a + next to them, those are usually only included when you download the DLC that relates to them (I say usually because I had the trophies that related to Prince of Persia, another full retail title I have downloaded, before I downloaded the Epilogue DLC). Rock Band cannot easily be compared to other games in terms of DLC offerings. Other games will have an extra map or maybe another chapter for the story mode offered as DLC, and there will be trophies tied to it. It clearly doesn't work that way with a library of over 2,500 songs (and growing).

I'm not sure why you frame it as 'fault,' but yeah, this is definitely Sony's decision.

[GNFfhqwhgads]

If I remember right, discs can do whatever they want as long as they add up to 1000, but Arcade games had restrictions on quantity. For some reason I want to say there was, at one point, a limit of 12 achievements for 200GS total. Obviously that's changed by now, but I believe there have been rules about quantity.

Actually, the first Condemned game had only 960G or 980G. One of the two. It was a launch title, if I remember right, but yeah, rules were hard.

Discs needed a limit of 50 Achievements at one point, The Orange Box broke that.

They also said you could only add 50G to Arcade games, that has now doubled along with the base.

Halo 3 started the '250G more per quarter the game has been out' rule, Gears 3 broke that and hit 2000G pretty fast.

[TubaDude49]

The only downloadable games that have platinum trophies are the downloadable versions of full retail games.

Wipeout HD

[Epsilon82]

This is always how it will be in terms of what does and doesn't get a platinum trophy. The very first few PS3 retail games didn't have trophies at all (the original Assassin's Creed is a notable example) but for everything else, retail releases have platinums (and about 3 times as many trophies anyway), while lower-dollar download titles like Blitz don't.

I'm not sure why you frame it as 'fault,' but yeah, this is definitely Sony's decision.

Not that this is really important, but it was more than just a "very few early titles" that didn't have trophies. Trophies weren't required to be implemented until 2009, and the system launched in 2006. Trophies didn't appear regularly in PS3 games until late 2008. Metal Gear Solid 4, for instance, came out almost 2 years after the system launched and only very recently had trophies patched in.

[MurphyRock]

The only downloadable games that have platinum trophies are the downloadable versions of full retail games.

Uh, no. Off the top of my head, Trine, Trine 2, Worms 2: Armageddon, Free Realms (FREE!), Crysis, Arcana Heart 3, Dungeon Defenders.... and googling it, there is quite a long list. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with cost, but it might have something to do with the depth of the game. See http://community.eu.playstation.com/.../td-p/14609005

Also, I acknowledge that this is a game that probably did not need a platinum trophy. However, it is missing a LOT of DLC-specific trophies as well.

As far as the trophies with a + next to them, those are usually only included when you download the DLC that relates to them (I say usually because I had the trophies that related to Prince of Persia, another full retail title I have downloaded, before I downloaded the Epilogue DLC). Rock Band cannot easily be compared to other games in terms of DLC offerings. Other games will have an extra map or maybe another chapter for the story mode offered as DLC, and there will be trophies tied to it. It clearly doesn't work that way with a library of over 2,500 songs (and growing).

Hm, again I would disagree. Several trophies in the Xbox360 list but not in PS3's list require DLC to be downloaded, and quite a lot of it:

Consummate Collector
Decade Decadence
Genre Diehard
Greatest Hits
Loyal Fan
Music Historian
Party at Your Place

Since all of the above trophies cannot be completed without additional DLC, it seems to me that they definitely could have been legally added as DLC trophies in PS3 Blitz.

If the decision to not add DLC trophies to PS3 Blitz truly was Sony's decision, and not Harmonix's, then I'd just like to hear that from someone from Harmonix - that's all I'm asking.

[SheSaidSheSaid]

Yeah, I guess there's a couple strictly download titles with plats. Although Free Realms is only free to try out and get to a certain level. You can't get any trophies unless you buy it.

Hm, again I would disagree. Several trophies in the Xbox360 list but not in PS3's list require DLC to be downloaded, and quite a lot of it:

Consummate Collector
Decade Decadence
Genre Diehard
Greatest Hits
Loyal Fan
Music Historian
Party at Your Place

Since all of the above trophies cannot be completed without additional DLC, it seems to me that they definitely could have been legally added as DLC trophies in PS3 Blitz.

You missed my point a little. Let's take Assassin's Creed Brotherhood for example (what can I say, I love the series). When you download The Da Vinci Disappearance DLC, with it come new trophies, not only for completing that DLC itself but also for things like assassinating guards from a parachute and other tricks that can be accomplished in free run. Those trophies are tied to the DLC.

Rock Band has over 2,500 pieces of DLC. Onto which ones should the DLC-related Blitz achievements go? The Weezer songs, the Red Hot Chili Peppers songs, the Boston songs? There's functionally endless possibilities, which I'm sure means there'd be massive technical hurdles, too.

Of course the other option is just to include them with the game from the outset. MS decided to do that. Sony didn't. So yeah. Blame Sony

If the decision to not add DLC trophies to PS3 Blitz truly was Sony's decision, and not Harmonix's, then I'd just like to hear that from someone from Harmonix - that's all I'm asking.

That may not be as simple a request as you frame it to be. It's possible the lawyers will eat them if they talk about anything like that.

[MurphyRock]

Those trophies are tied to the DLC.

Rock Band has over 2,500 pieces of DLC. Onto which ones should the DLC-related Blitz achievements go?

Again, I have to disagree with you: I don't think DLC trophies are tied to specific pieces of DLC, but to the main game. Here is my reasoning: I own Bioshock, but no Bioshock-related DLC. I see all the DLC trophies for the game in my list (unearned, of course), but I cannot earn them because I have not downloaded the DLC. I have a similar situation with Burnout: Paradise. So it is my opinion that the trophies are installed by and connected to the main game, not to specific pieces of DLC.

As for Sony's lawyers eating HMX employees: They do have some nasty lawyer/shark hybrids in their employ, and I personally would not want to run afoul of them. Harmonix dudes, please signal covertly if you are being held hostage by Sony's lawyers, and the forum members will undertake a rescue mission to Boston a la Rambo or Iron Eagle.

[SheSaidSheSaid]

Again, I have to disagree with you: I don't think DLC trophies are tied to specific pieces of DLC, but to the main game. Here is my reasoning: I own Bioshock, but no Bioshock-related DLC. I see all the DLC trophies for the game in my list (unearned, of course), but I cannot earn them because I have not downloaded the DLC. I have a similar situation with Burnout: Paradise. So it is my opinion that the trophies are installed by and connected to the main game, not to specific pieces of DLC.

Hmm. But for the one example with the downloaded Prince of Persia, that has not been my experience. Odd.

As for Sony's lawyers eating HMX employees: They do have some nasty lawyer/shark hybrids in their employ, and I personally would not want to run afoul of them. Harmonix dudes, please signal covertly if you are being held hostage by Sony's lawyers, and the forum members will undertake a rescue mission to Boston a la Rambo or Iron Eagle.

Where's my bandolier...