Coin Economy Tweaks

[Meat-Popsicle]

Coins are easy to ignore if you never do restarts, and if you use Rock Band World to set goals and to compete in Score Wars on a regular basis. If you don't want to do those things, the coins force you to do them anyway. It feels very natural for me to do all of those things automatically, but I totally understand why it would be annoying to be "forced" to play like me.

The coins were a really great idea which turn out to be hard to implement into the game smoothly. Hey, game theory is hard, especially when you try to add a dynamic monetary system. It gets even more complicated when you can use that currency to trade with others. The game EVE Online has a real economist to try and keep the market functional:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...023983542.html

[zage1337]

[Long RBB rant, that was a little uncivil.]

[Jarr3tt88]

Ok.....I think I just thought of a solution for everyone. But I don't know how feasible, if at all, it is.

What if with our coins you were able to unlock the ability to have free restarts? BUT You can't do this until you get a gold star on a song. Say the cost could be like 10-30,000 coins or something.

What this does is gives people a reason to finish songs (earn all their coins) Play naked to learn songs (to earn coins) Bonus coins on FB goals for extra coins to buy restarts! (a point for FB goals again!)

Win for all. FB people can do goals. Score whore can restart as they please, 5 times or 500 times at no cost. (aside the restart unlock of course)

ALSO I just thought of something else. What about an incentive for playing naked. Giving say 1.5x-3x bonus coins. Another opportunity to earn more coins.
Thoughts?

[zage1337]

Really the only problem with the coin ecomony issue is restarts. If you don't restart ever then you'll have an absurd surplus of coins. If you like to restart especially when you play really risky for high scores(not messing up jackpot while chasing flame notes on all 5 lanes) you are going to be bankrupt because 550 coins to restart a song is completely absurd. Say if you miss a jackpot 3 or 4 times or you are in a score war and the only way to win is to take advantage of flame note spawn or blast note spawn. If you get unlucky you have to restart say 5 times. 5*550 = 2750 coins down the drain..just like that. In order to make up for that you have to be sightreading new songs or goals. What if you don't have new songs or enough songs for the goals? You are going to GSing your library for a LONG time to get that loss back.

Maybe you can unlock the ability with Blitz cred to only be charged coins when you choose to Quit song or play a new song. The 550 coin deduction for restarts has to go. It's also game breaking and the only way around this is to limit your playing style by never restarting or playing Charlene/They're Red Hot over and over and over again.

Or you can all tell me to not restart and defend the coin system, but I shouldn't have to limit how I play just because of the dumb coin balance. Having to GS a song ELEVEN times yes (11 * 50) to have enough coins to be able to restart ONCE and not loose all your powerups is ridiculous.

[hodayathink]

Ok.....I think I just thought of a solution for everyone. But I don't know how feasible, if at all, it is.

What if with our coins you were able to unlock the ability to have free restarts? BUT You can't do this until you get a gold star on a song. Say the cost could be like 10-30,000 coins or something.

What this does is gives people a reason to finish songs (earn all their coins) Play naked to learn songs (to earn coins) Bonus coins on FB goals for extra coins to buy restarts! (a point for FB goals again!)

Win for all. FB people can do goals. Score whore can restart as they please, 5 times or 500 times at no cost. (aside the restart unlock of course)

Thoughts?

I really like this idea. Especially since it gives people something to do with the surplus of coins most people have tallied up so far. I'd probably set the cost closer to 5,000 to 10,000 coins instead of 10-30K, just to help the people that don't have a surplus right now.

[Jarr3tt88]

I really like this idea. Especially since it gives people something to do with the surplus of coins most people have tallied up so far. I'd probably set the cost closer to 5,000 to 10,000 coins instead of 10-30K, just to help the people that don't have a surplus right now.

The only reason I suggest higher is to give incentive to play the FB goals again. If too little, you can just do it in game you know?

The surplus will come with the goals. and speaking of the goals.....I think it would be MUCH better if there were access to them while in game. FB could just keep track of them. I think thats most people's beef with FB. Like in the message section.

[zage1337]

The problem with the coin system is how it currently handles restarting songs. For those of us who likes to restart on 1st place runs, we get easily bankrupt. I posted this in the other thread, and this is how I think restarts should be tweaked. Everything else is fine, except I think GSing a song should give you more than 50 coin profit in the long run when you run out of songs to SR.

So this is how it should happen.

Restarts are Free or no more than 50 coins except, when you restart you must use the exact same powerups. If you change powerups you have to pay for that powerup again. If you go to Quit Song, or go to a different song you have to pay again. Or at least make restarts with the same loadout something like 50 coins.

Or another suggestion is to make Restarts cost 1/2 of the coins it normally costs on a song, and make it so you get more than 50 coins for GSing a song. 150-200+ profit for GSing a song is alot more reasonable. You barely get any coins if you are not sightreading as it is right now. Sorry but not everyone has an endless supply of unplayed DLC songs to sightread and get 2x coin bonus. People are taking the 2x bonus for granted because you won't be getting many additional coins once you play all your songs at least once.

The people who never restart or have a truckload of coins won't be affected by this at all, however for the rest of us who don't have many songs to SR, and can't do song specific goals because not having the said DLC song or want to use facebook can restart songs without being completely bankrupt all the time.

[www1221]

The problem isnt the coin system it is your way of playing.

[zage1337]

The problem isnt the coin system it is your way of playing.

Really? Cause I could have sworn that the focus of this game is achieveing the highest score that you can achieve. I could have sworn that this game was about competitive play in nature unlike cooperative play like the main releases. So you are saying that I should not try to get the best possible score I can get on a song? So If I mess up early on that I have to sit and wait through the rest of it when I should just be able to restart?

Hmm I probably bought the wrong game then. Sorry about that. I didn't know that Blitz was only meant for Facebook stuff and sightreading newly bought DLC songs. I've been playing this game wrong the entire time.

Coins are easy to ignore if you never do restarts, and if you use Rock Band World to set goals and to compete in Score Wars on a regular basis. If you don't want to do those things, the coins force you to do them anyway. It feels very natural for me to do all of those things automatically, but I totally understand why it would be annoying to be "forced" to play like me.

Thank you. I am glad you can see how the coin system affects people on the other side. Also you have to take into account for players who

1. Aren't skilled enough at the game to consistently GS every song they play, so they are almost always losing coins from just playing normally. It's even worse if they are grinding a GS and they have to restart.
2. Don't have more than say 100 DLC so once they SR they can no longer gain coins easily. It's fine now when everyone can SR songs because of how new this game is. Once you play all your songs say goodbye to getting 1200 per song.

3. Don't want to connect RB to Facebook and have it tie to there personal lives.

I know that most players on these forums do not fall under any of these 3, but there are people who are, and there are people who like to play competitively and sometimes grind out a high score even if it requires restarting.

[jibjqrkl]

pacman is a high score game, i never seen anyone restart there if he missed 1 bonus point thing