What Happened to Flame Notes In Rockband Blitz?????

[Hairlooksgreat]

I'm also in agreement for the change while the tournament is running, but I also think it's vital that flame notes is returned to its former glory after this is all over.

I really don't get this point of view. The tournament is LESS competitive because of the nerf. Now there's only 2-3 people with a shot. Restore the flames to 1500 and there will be more people posting competitive scores. And believe me, I won't be one of the ones posting competitive scores. My old hands and mind just don't move that fast anymore.

And FWIW there has been 217 scores posted for 'Raise Your Glass'. I'll let everyone else decide if that's decent participation or not.

[RyRobo]

The tournament is less competitive because of the nerf, yeah, but if any changes were made to the meta now with the tournament underway it would be unfair to those who have already achieved their high scores in a more limited and harder environment.

It's the same principle as to why nerfing flame notes is a bad choice. In a score based title moving the goalposts around, to be easier or harder, is always unfair to some degree for earlier participants. For the tournament it would have been better if the flame notes remained in their original state, but they didn't, and it would be counter-productive to swap them now.

[Hairlooksgreat]

I agree with that but a new tourney starts every Thursday so they could un-nerf prior to the start of the next tourney but after this weeks tournament ends.

[RyRobo]

Actually, yeah, sorry, you're right. Apologies, skipped my mind the tournament was working like that. Not checked up on it other than reading the announcement on RockBandAide, so my memory was a little bit hazy. I would agree with you.

[cowboys282]

Try counting the unique users who have specifically said "I am against this" or some variation of it. Not all 80 people have complained about it.

Beyond that, it's not a significant sample size for other reasons that have been mentioned before (not a good cross section of players, and folks upset are more likely to be vocal).

So yes a group of hardcore players posting on the forum might not be overwhelming evidence but it is something. There is no shred of evidence that anyone on here has seen that says anyone was for the nerf.

Your common sense is colored by your own personal wants and desires. There is very little about this entire situation where common sense applies.

Note, I've already said I don't disagree with you about the Flame Note point value changing.

My position in this particular arguement has been "You don't have enough evidence to say that the majority of players are upset by what happened". Honestly, I believe the majority of players are indifferent, but I have no proof, other than perhaps the fact that only 80 unique people have posted in this thread rather than several hundred, but even then, not everyone of those 80 are upset with the nerf either.

Tournaments in which you had to either be following the forums or use the facebook app to even know were happening on a game over 3 months old that's not a disc based game, so not likely to be given a huge boost in Christmas sales (because people aren't being given the game specifically).

Of course, that's just speculation. No real facts here on either side as to why people may or may not be playing (or if the number of people playing has changed drastically one way or another).

Lack of proof you're wrong does not mean you're right. You're assuming you're in the majority, that the number of players has decreased specifically because of this issue, and that because of this, they'll restore the nerf after the tournament. Heck, you even say 70-80 people in this forum agains the nerf after saying there are 80 posters in this thread. Not everyone in this thread is against it, and I'm very sure it's not 7/8ths of all the posters in this thread.

Anyway, my point is that you're making several assumptions that you're right and therefore everyone agrees with you and therefore things will happen as you expect them to. Lots of assumptions leading to more assumptions there.

I swear you must be a professional spin artist. You bring no facts to the table yet spin the facts that I do bring up as assumptions. You claim that not all 80 users agree with the nerf. I agree. However you act like it is less than 70. It is not. I have been here since the beginning. I only remember a handful (maybe 5) who were for it. I could go back and count but I won't. I trust my memory. But if you really do want to prove me wrong than get counting.

So conservatively lets say 70 are against it. How many people do you really believe still play the 3 month old game? For all you know that 70 people could be 30% of the entire population. You are making assumptions that the 70 is a small %. The truth is neither of us know what the % the 70 make up. All we know is there are 70 people against it and 10 for it. Thats all we know.

Everything else you say is an assumption as well as me. the only thing we know for sure is 70 people against this nerf.

And forget the increase. Let Harmonix prove that the numbers the last two weeks are the same as the 2 weeks prior. Let's see if the numbers changed at all. Of course if the numbers went down it was because of the nerf.

And no my common sense is not colored by my wants. There is no rational reason someone would have want flames nerfed. Maybe the Pinball players. Most scores are no loner attainable. If you are not playing this game to beat some kind of score than why are you playing it? Nerfing flame notes make many scores unbeatable. I don't mean just leaderboards. many peoples own personal scores cannot be beat. To me thats common sense. The game was built around scores. You do know that's why they created score wars right?

[jibjqrkl]

So conservatively lets say 70 are against it. How many people do you really believe still play the 3 month old game? For all you know that 70 people could be 30% of the entire population. You are making assumptions that the 70 is a small %. The truth is neither of us know what the % the 70 make up. All we know is there are 70 people against it and 10 for it. Thats all we know.

well you could get a 0 score on one of the tournament songs and see how high it ranks.

[Epsilon82]

And FWIW there has been 217 scores posted for 'Raise Your Glass'. I'll let everyone else decide if that's decent participation or not.

It wouldn't have been worth breaking the game this badly even for 217,000 scores, but 217? What a joke. Hopefully there was a precipitous drop in participation between the first and second tournaments, in which case Harmonix might consider reverting the nerf sooner than March, by which point I suspect all but the most hard-core dedicated players will have long since abandoned ship if they don't.

I actually went 5 days without playing the game, which is the longest drought I've had since I got bit with the 1,100 song crash bug back near release. At this point the only thing keeping me coming back are the goals, and even that is wearing thin because I can't play the songs in any way I find enjoyable without sacrificing scoring considerations almost entirely.

I recently discovered that Sync is a much more lucrative powerup (after its boost a while back) than I had previously realized, and on certain songs, combined with BR/RR and BN it can even compete with my existing Jack/Flame scores, but just like Pinball it takes me out of the rhythm of the actual song itself too much. I hate feeling obligated to switch lanes at set points, often completely unrelated to the song itself (i.e. in the middle of sustains, etc.) and having to refrain from hitting notes in the adjacent lanes to avoid overhitting and breaking Blitz mode just feels really sloppy and antithetical to what a rhythm game normally is.

The idea that I'll have to wait until March to even have the possibility of fully enjoying the game to its own past standard is pretty hard to swallow. Even if I can sustain my interest long enough to wait that long, I'm a pretty hardcore player. I've spent thousands of hours and dollars on these games over the last few years. I can't imagine how many of those with lesser investment won't just move on with their lives, if they haven't already.

[cowboys282]

And FWIW there has been 217 scores posted for 'Raise Your Glass'. I'll let everyone else decide if that's decent participation or not.

Wow I missed that little nugget. Thanks for posting Hairlooksgreat. I can rest my case now. I refused to sign my Facebook personal information over to Harmonix so I have never been on Rockband World. But now that I know the numbers are so low I am more confident than ever nerfing flame notes has negatively impacted the game.

So Bront20 let's review our facts. 70 people in this thread are against the nerf. 10 are for it. Only 217 people are playing in the tournament song "Raise your Glass." And that song comes with the game. Everyone who owns Blitz has that song.

What a waste that people have to wait until March. I really wish I hadn't wasted all that money on DLC. 217. There really is nothing left to say.

[metalkorn]

glad to see the same old arguments are going on a week since I last visited. This is starting to become a very pointless thread. It's only serving for some people to eventually say I was right and claim some victory that will make them feel better.

Carry on, i'll continue to be indifferent to this and carry on playing the game for fun and enjoyment as I always have.

[SirDavidTLynch]

And FWIW there has been 217 scores posted for 'Raise Your Glass'. I'll let everyone else decide if that's decent participation or not.

How do you know that? The Rock Band World page only shows the top 5 scores.