What Happened to Flame Notes In Rockband Blitz?????

[metalkorn]

Wow - talk about using an analogy that speaks to the complete opposite of what HMX did. Every one knows that if a bomb was dropped on Pakistan nuclear war would start and the world would be destroyed which in videogame terms means that Blitz wouldn't be playable at all and would crash on boot

Last time I checked my copy of Blitz was working just fine apart from that pesky nerfing Seal Team that killed Osama Bin Flame Notes.

The posts continue to be more and more ridiculous in this thread so I thought why not contribute to that, it's not salvageable.

[Epsilon82]

Wow - talk about using an analogy that speaks to the complete opposite of what HMX did. Every one knows that if a bomb was dropped on Pakistan nuclear war would start and the world would be destroyed which in videogame terms means that Blitz wouldn't be playable at all and would crash on boot

Last time I checked my copy of Blitz was working just fine apart from that pesky nerfing Seal Team that killed Osama Bin Flame Notes.

The posts continue to be more and more ridiculous in this thread so I thought why not contribute to that, it's not salvageable.

I hope everyone realizes that it was just an analogy geared toward illustrating the mechanics of addressing a specific problem, and not by any means an attempt to equate the gravity of the respective situations. That's what analogies are; comparing elements in common from two DIFFERENT situations. I can't tell from the reaction here whether most people understand that and are merely expressing amusement or if they think I'm literally trying to equate the importance of the two. Metalkorn seems to think the latter, but I most definitely am not doing that. That's why I put the "competitive video game equivalent" part in, to make that abundantly clear.

In retrospect, I probably should have said "dropping a bomb over Bin Laden's neighborhood," but if you're going to quibble about that aspect, you're missing the point of the analogy.

To lay this out a bit more clearly:

Problem X: Bin Laden is alive and we want him dead

Problem Y: Bandmate/Flame can be exploited and we want that stopped

Solutions to X:

-Send in a SEAL team to specifically enter the house, confirm identity, and capture or kill Bin Laden without civilian casualties

-Drop a large bomb near the house, which will hopefully kill Bin Laden but probably will kill many others and cause massive collateral damage in general

Solutions to Y:

- Change the timing windows so adjacent lanes cannot be played simultaneously
- Buff Blitz mode to heavily penalize button mashing
- Adjust other powerups upward
- Change the flame spread pattern or limit number of spreads in a chain
- Some combination of the above
- Nerf Flame Notes to the point of complete uselessness in ALL contexts, thus making all powerup combinations totally incapable of even approaching Pinball/Sync, with the additional consequence of rendering the leaderboards meaningless and filled with unattainable scores

The point here is that the last option in each solution set is the least specific and targeted attempt to address the problems, and have severe negative consequences.

Of course, players who never used Flames won't notice the difference. But for those who came to enjoy and appreciate the added risk and challenge in exchange for appropriate score benefits, the game is now a shell of its former self. It's technically functional, but wildly imbalanced.

[LuigiHann]

I can only consider myself a casual player of Blitz (a hardcore fan, sure, but a casual player, at least in terms of skill level), and I rarely use Flame Notes because they are hard to use, so if I could maybe get five stars or barely get gold stars with them at their old point values, I probably wouldn't be able to come close at the new values. So, current situation is what I would call "not better." I imagine for other players like myself the flame notes thing has almost no effect and whatever effect it does have is kind of on the negative side.

I like the idea of restoring the old values and increasing the point reward for Blitz mode. I think that'd make it harder to benefit from button mashing and I think casual players would appreciate the extra reward for staying in Blitz mode because staying in Blitz mode is hard.

[metalkorn]

I can't tell from the reaction here whether most people understand that and are merely expressing amusement or if they think I'm literally trying to equate the importance of the two. Metalkorn seems to think the latter, but I most definitely am not doing that.

I saw humour in it, I also chose to address it in an equally humorous manner. Your analogy made it sound like the end of the world when it certainly is not. Way over dramatic so I responded as such.

EDIT: I look again and you have edited your post with a lot of unnecessary justification. It really doesn't matter to me. You wanted to make a point and you did so initially in an overly dramatic way. That's how I see it and my opinion won't change.

[Epsilon82]

I saw humour in it, I also chose to address it in an equally humorous manner. Your analogy made it sound like the end of the world when it certainly is not. Way over dramatic so I responded as such.

EDIT: I look again and you have edited your post with a lot of unnecessary justification. It really doesn't matter to me. You wanted to make a point and you did so initially in an overly dramatic way. That's how I see it and my opinion won't change.

So in other words, you can't be bothered to address an analogy on the merits and instead just feel the need to misrepresent someone else's intentions because you're intellectually lazy? That's your right, I suppose.

[bmdbmd15]

I want the leaderboards to be based on pure skill

Even based on true skill (nary a glitch or exploit allowed) you will end up unhappy because there will always be people who spend more time on each song than you. What will your complaint be then?

I play Trials Evolution a lot just as I did Trials HD. This is a game where the leaderboards are based on pure skill and you can find the cheaters fairly easy as the top 100+ scores all have a replay of the run. Pretty good player and I have spent a good chunk of time with the game. While I can do most of the extreme tracks in 25 faults or less that still sticks me in the thousands on the leaderboards. Hundreds of people no faulting extreme tracks as if they were beginner tracks. You do not get that good without putting some serious time into each track. Just like you do not GS YYZ by just showing up using road rage/blast notes on your first try.


From the Princess Bride
"Well who says life is fair? Where is that written? Life isn't always fair."

[Bront20]

So in other words, you can't be bothered to address an analogy on the merits and instead just feel the need to misrepresent someone else's intentions because you're intellectually lazy? That's your right, I suppose.

Just a suggestion.

Take a break from this. Go do something else. Get your mind off this and get some perspective. Preferably before such a brake is forced upon you by a moderator.

I get this means a lot to you, but you're close in on being somewhat nasty.

[Epsilon82]

Just a suggestion.

Take a break from this. Go do something else. Get your mind off this and get some perspective. Preferably before such a brake is forced upon you by a moderator.

I get this means a lot to you, but you're close in on being somewhat nasty.

I appreciate the concern, but I don't think I've overstepped any boundaries here. I just tend to get annoyed at people who basically come right out and say "I'm not going to bother to actually read and respond on the merits, but I still feel qualified to characterize your position."

Anyway, it's time for football. Sorry, Metalkorn, I meant no offense.

[cowboys282]

I can only consider myself a casual player of Blitz (a hardcore fan, sure, but a casual player, at least in terms of skill level), and I rarely use Flame Notes because they are hard to use, so if I could maybe get five stars or barely get gold stars with them at their old point values, I probably wouldn't be able to come close at the new values. So, current situation is what I would call "not better." I imagine for other players like myself the flame notes thing has almost no effect and whatever effect it does have is kind of on the negative side.

I like the idea of restoring the old values and increasing the point reward for Blitz mode. I think that'd make it harder to benefit from button mashing and I think casual players would appreciate the extra reward for staying in Blitz mode because staying in Blitz mode is hard.

Great points. It's nice to hear a "Casual" player say this. Us that were labeled more "Hardcore" were lumped in the category as the only one's who still wanted Flame notes at 1500.

Your idea of increasing blitz has always been the most rational way to do this. Unfortunately it seems like a pitch would be required which they won't do. You sound smart and would realize since you are a casual player that with or without Flame notes you would not win any tournemnts. That is true for most. The unfortunate result is now only people who use Pinball/Sync will score best. I am from the camp that gets bored very quickly using that combo. I would rather just not play since I like having to hit notes.

[Bront20]

I appreciate the concern, but I don't think I've overstepped any boundaries here.

Nope, didn't want you to either