What Happened to Flame Notes In Rockband Blitz?????

[AJayN85]

But please do not starting calling guesses logic and reasoning. Lets stick to the facts.

I totally agree!

My guess is that it was for legal reasons.

Wait, I thought you just said...

If I were to "guess" on why they did this I remember Pope saying they would revisit this decision after the tournaments.

But, but, you said...

[Jarr3tt88]

Good, now you know how people felt when they made the coins pointless.

[cowboys282]

I totally agree!



Wait, I thought you just said...



But, but, you said...

Lol. I love how you completly avoid how I showed you were using guesses to imply that they were fact and that I brought Facts in the equation to prove my point. Instead of addressing that point you quote me out of context to try and show I was contradicting myself. But alas I was not.

Like I said before let's not start calling guesses logic. Lets stick to facts when it comes to logic.

And if Rock Central says there weren't a lot of players out there using Flame notes to begin with -- i.e. they preferred using Blast, Runway, or Pinball over Flames -- then nerfing Flames was NEVER a problem for those players. It's that simple.

That statement you made is a pure speculation. A guess. You have no facts to back that up. But at no point did you try and say it was a guess. Instead you tried to shoot down the only data we possess by using this guess as your reason.

Both "Guesses" I made I specifically stated were simply guesses. At no point did I represent them as fact in my point. There is a huge difference between guessing and telling people it is a guess than disputing facts by trying to pass a guess off as a fact.

Let's look at both our original points and see the difference:

The forum is a small sample, but is not the entire sample. I've gone over the math before -- it's not even a statistically significant sample.

Say there's now 70 unique posters on this thread, and 100% of them hate the nerf. According to the Rock Band World FB app, the average number of people who have played each of the core Blitz songs is roughly 31,000.

70/31000 = .002. That's 0.2%. Not even 1%.

A vocal minority of 70 people CANNOT be an accurate representation of 31,000... let alone the 207k people who have played Death on Two Legs, or the 219k people who have played These Days.

You want the smallest possible sample?

You should do some research yourself. Do you know what a Gallup poll is? go to there website. the first poll you will see is about the entire USA. They took a poll of 1,025 Americans and it reflects all 315,131,667 of us. Now ask yourself, why does the #1 polling company in the world use 0.000003% of the population to come up with results representing 100% of the population?

Now answer me this. What do we know. We know there is about 70 unique users in this thread. Those are people who play Blitz enough to notice there was a change in Flame notes. They took the time to find out why and found this forum. Than they took the time to post on this forum. Out of the 70 about 5 said they were for the nerf. That means out of this forum 93% of the people are against the nerf.

Now what data do you have otherwise that shows any difference? It is the same question I posed in the earlier post if you properly read it. We have seen no data in anyway that shows that 93% is not accurate. You make assumption and your assumptions go against the facts that you already know.

So to answer your original question AJay I do not want the smallest sample. The smallest sample are the only facts I have to go on. Nowhere else have I seen any numbers that support or against anything. We cann't make assumptions and turn them in to facts. We can guess why things happen but in the end they are only guesses.

Right now the numbers we have say this was an unpopular decision. Only time will tell if it was. Because after the tournaments if Flame notes are changed again then we all will now it was.

[Santa Claustrophobia]

Let's look at both our original points and see the difference:

Yeah. See the Gallup poll also predicted a Romney win.

Using them as a counter argument over the accuracy of a small sample size doesn't help you.

Right now the numbers we have say this was an unpopular decision. Only time will tell if it was. Because after the tournaments if Flame notes are changed again then we all will now it was.

The numbers you have are from a echo chamber filled with mainly five people repeatedly posting overly verbose versions of 'This!'. Selection bias, small sample size, and proof by verbosity. These are not helping your cause.

[grace_pressure]

Both "Guesses" I made I specifically stated were simply guesses. At no point did I represent them as fact in my point.

There has been no evidence that the majority wants Flame notes nerfed.
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We have seen no data in anyway that shows that 93% is not accurate.

Well...

[cowboys282]

Well...

Once again I am completely taken out of context. People should read entire posts. the "Guess" I was referring to had to do with why Harmonix decided to nerf Flame notes. And I cleary made it known as a guess.

The second point you brought up is the factual numbers I have been referring to this entire time. I repeat THAT IS NOT A GUESS. Like I said we have seen NO evidence that suggests the data in this thread is WRONG. The numbers we have to go by in the thread are the ONLY numbers we have. There are no numbers we can just pluck out of the sky and pretend them to be fact.

So to review my point for the third time. AJay posted assumptions and guesses and acted as if they are factual.

The numbers are overwhelmingly against the Flame note nerf in this thread. This is a fact that cannot be disputed. If some disagree with the majority's opinion in this thread go find some people to post who agree with it. But for now all we have is the opinions of the 70 people on this thread.

[cowboys282]

Yeah. See the Gallup poll also predicted a Romney win.

Using them as a counter argument over the accuracy of a small sample size doesn't help you.





The numbers you have are from a echo chamber filled with mainly five people repeatedly posting overly verbose versions of 'This!'. Selection bias, small sample size, and proof by verbosity. These are not helping your cause.

Last time I checked the Gallup poll is the industry standard in polling. But some quick research will show you that all polling uses very small sample sizes to conduct large polls.

And no my numbers reflect the entire 40 pages of this thread that i have followed from the beginning. No matter if a person posted once or 30 times if they are against the nerf they are against it. If you have some actual facts to dispute what i say by all means let's see them.

Otherwise I will have to disagree with you on your quote that the facts "are not helping" my cause. But like I continue to say we will see who was right in March. When the tournaments are over let's see if Flame notes stay nerfed.

[AJayN85]

The numbers are overwhelmingly against the Flame note nerf in this thread. This is a fact that cannot be disputed.

This is true. But by the laws of statistics, you cannot rely on such a small sample as representationally accurate for an entire population.

[cowboys282]

This is true. But by the laws of statistics, you cannot rely on such a small sample as representationally accurate for an entire population.

And finally we agree AJay. Although they are the only numbers we have to go on it is impossible to know if they are accurate or not. They are just the only numbers we have. In March we should all know the affect this nerf had judging by the decision Harmonix makes.

[Santa Claustrophobia]

Last time I checked the Gallup poll is the industry standard in polling. But some quick research will show you that all polling uses very small sample sizes to conduct large polls.

And no my numbers reflect the entire 40 pages of this thread that i have followed from the beginning. No matter if a person posted once or 30 times if they are against the nerf they are against it. If you have some actual facts to dispute what i say by all means let's see them.

Otherwise I will have to disagree with you on your quote that the facts "are not helping" my cause. But like I continue to say we will see who was right in March. When the tournaments are over let's see if Flame notes stay nerfed.

Your fact is still five people repeatedly posting the same thing. This is not a huge throng of outrage. This is a smattering of people telling the creators of the game that they are stupid and wrong. So good luck with that bit.

The thing about polling data, since it is such a small sample size, you actually have to ask as wide a selection as possible. Not a closed group of similarly minded people. Any basic statistical analysis class would tell you this.

Your fact is that this thread is populated by people who don't like it. With a majority of the posts being the same thing from an even smaller group of people.

This is not proof of anything other than this thread is populated by people who don't like it and say the same things over and over again.

And again, the last time you checked, the industry standard in polling was wrong. That means their methods and analysis was wrong. Just because everybody wants to believe them, it doesn't make them right.