What Are You Doing RIGHT NOW? Part ELEVEN: Through the Wormhole...

[jibjqrkl]

Most of those games arent close to 20 hours unless you are going to go for 100% and if you are going to take that as the normal playthrough these games you say are only 4 hours long could be closer to 20. Even Call of Duty can take close to 20 hours if you want to 100% the game.

most of those games aren't close to 20 hours?

let's see, rushing through 1 level in doom or wolfenstein takes about 15-20 minutes.
15-20 levels per episode, doom had 3 episodes (or 4 on the XBLA version) and wolfenstein had 6
15x 15 minutes = almost 4 hours for 1 episode. *3 is 12 hours in a game where the entire game is about the same file size as 1 character is in COD.

now, that is assuming you can even rush through that on anything other than the easiest settings. and as I said, there are enough interesting things that make you WANT to go see the rest of the map.


now, COD. all you do is walk forward. you can occasionaly take a different route but it takes you to the same place as the first route would've brought you. going back through that other route (if you're even allowed to) will get you a few more kills, which add 0 score and gain you absolutely nothing.

I have never taken longer than 6 hours for any COD game, and never on a difficulty setting lower then the 2nd highest. and there was absolutely nothing for me to gain by going back at any given time.


Modern games just completely limit your freedom. they take you by the hand and guide you past movie sets, where all you have to do is point and click. And a lot of people like this. I don't see why, I probably never will. And I really don't care. I just don't like it. Now i'm not gonna say people like me are better, or people like you are. we're just different. But what I can say, is that there is WAY more effort put into the map designs of the games I like than in the scripted fancy explosions in the games you like

[www1221]

Doom 1 is like 5 hours long and 2 is about 7ish hours. Megaman Legends 2 and Wolfenstein 3D is just over 8. Again unless you are going for competition. Which in today's games would include achievements. Achievements would give a game replay value and make the games length closer to 20 hours.

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On a side note, relish is terrible. It is the ruiner of good junk food.

[Lawdog1521]

On a side note, relish is terrible. It is the ruiner of good junk food.

I agree however I couldn't think of anything else for a "in my bun" joke at that moment.

[jibjqrkl]

Doom 1 is like 5 hours long and 2 is about 7ish hours. Megaman Legends 2 and Wolfenstein 3D is just over 8. Again unless you are going for competition. Which in today's games would include achievements. Achievements would give a game replay value and make the games length closer to 20 hours.

I honestly can not see how anyone would ever take 20 hours to finish a COD singleplayer.
and I will not count most achievements unless they actually mean something in game, like an achievement for finding all secret rooms

(and that room should actually contain something to use in the game. not like COD's intels, because those serve no purpose other than being there for that achievement and you gain absolutely nothing in-game for it.)

, because otherwise I might just as well come up with a random goal like "kill every monster in episode 2 of doom with your fist"

[jibjqrkl]

And even so, If you rush through COD. you'll miss out on killing a few enemies at the most. and maybe 1 scripted fancy event.

If you rush through any game I mentioned, you are literally skipping 75% of the game, which is just an extremely dumb thing to do.

[www1221]

I honestly can not see how anyone would ever take 20 hours to finish a COD singleplayer.
and I will not count most achievements unless they actually mean something in game, like an achievement for finding all secret rooms (and that room should actually contain something to use in the game. not like COD's intels, because those serve no purpose other than being there for that achievement and you gain absolutely nothing in-game for it.), because otherwise I might just as well come up with a random goal like "kill every monster in episode 2 of doom with your fist"

100% completion is what it means and for Doom 1 and 2 and the other games I mentioned to be close to 20 hours you would need to go for 100% completion. Achievements like the Doom goal you made up do exist and are meant to make you play differently than you would normally. Like in Dead Space 1 there was an achievement for play though the whole game using only the Plasma Cutter(the starting weapon). I did that when I wouldnt have with out the achievement and it game me some sense of accomplishment that I beat the whole game using the starter gun.

[jibjqrkl]

100% completion is what it means and for Doom 1 and 2 and the other games I mentioned to be close to 20 hours you would need to go for 100% completion. Achievements like the Doom goal you made up do exist and are meant to make you play differently than you would normally. Like in Dead Space 1 there was an achievement for play though the whole game using only the Plasma Cutter(the starting weapon). I did that when I wouldnt have with out the achievement and it game me some sense of accomplishment that I beat the whole game using the starter gun.

fun fact, you could've done that without the game making that goal up for you. That's why I'm not counting it. as it could've easily been in Doom as well, but it gains you nothing but personal satisfaction.

Let me put it this way. so there's a goal for the plasma cutter.
is there a goal like this for every other weapon? nope.
could you do that anyway? (let's just say for the sake of this argument that it starts as soon as you unlock said weapon) yes you could.

Does it add anything to the game if the game tells you it can be fun to do something any more as it would if you would do that without the game telling you?.

[www1221]

fun fact, you could've done that without the game making that goal up for you. That's why I'm not counting it. as it could've easily been in Doom as well, but it gains you nothing but personal satisfaction.

Let me put it this way. so there's a goal for the plasma cutter.
is there a goal like this for every other weapon? nope.
could you do that anyway? (let's just say for the sake of this argument that it starts as soon as you unlock said weapon) yes you could.

Does it add anything to the game if the game tells you it can be fun to do something any more as it would if you would do that without the game telling you?.

You wanted replay value and guess what achievements are? Replay value. They are also a part of the game. Completing them all would be 100% completion and like I said before going for 100% completion is how you get those games you mentioned to be 20 hours. So if you arent counting achievements Doom 1 takes 5ish hours to beat.

[jibjqrkl]

You wanted replay value and guess what achievements are? Replay value. They are also a part of the game. Completing them all would be 100% completion and like I said before going for 100% completion is how you get those games you mentioned to be 20 hours. So if you arent counting achievements Doom 1 takes 5ish hours to beat.

I could go for all achievements on my first run like I did with COD4. took me 5 hours to beat on the hardest difficulty 100%

rushing through doom1 on easiest settings without picking up anything unnecessary would take me longer