Roger Clemens vs Brain McNamee--Who do you believe?

[SenRaq]

Simple question. Did Roger Clemens take HGH, or is McNamee lying about injecting him?

If Roger did take HGH, will this keep him out of the Hall of Fame? Whats the difference between Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds?

[Shredder87]

I remember I was watching EPSN(That's all I watch, with the exception of Metalocalypse and sports games.) and I remember a time where Rafael Palmero blatently denied using steriods. What was it, two months later, where we found out he was dirtier than a hooker from Tijuana? I see the same thing with Roger. True, there's no concrete evidence that he's taken the stuff(Maybe there is, I haven't been catching up on the issue.) but the fact that Andy Pettite fessed up, makes me wonder if Roger is lying.

[Rock_Band_Night]

Clemens is lying... unless McNamee has some serious psych issues.

[topperharley]

Whats the difference between Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds?

If they both, in fact, used steroids or HGH, then there is no difference. Both were very good players who most likely would have made the Hall of Fame even without using performance enhancing drugs. And by using them, which I believe they both did, they cheated the game, by giving themselves an advantage that other players did not have (except those who also used performance enhancing drugs, of course).

If they're allowed in then Pete Rose should be too,this is worse than what he did since it actually had an effect on the games.

If a major player or manager bets on games that he's playing or managing, that has - or can have - a huge effect on those games. But I say keep them all out, or let Barry and Roger in and plaster their records with asterisks.

[King_Nuthin]

I don't believe either one of them.

But I'm more disturbed that our federal government is continuing to waste time on this matter. MLB didn't have an effective steroid policy in place when these events are alleged to occur. HGH wasn't even banned until 2003 so even if he took it knowingly he wasn't violating any rules that weren't being enforced.

The important thing is that they have a policy with strong punishments now, and hopefully they are applying it fairly and not just to non-star players. I think that remains to be seen. But there's simply no point in rehashing the past especially when some of the alleged actions didn't violate the rules and those that did carried no penalties. Its like lowering the speed limit this afternoon and then sending a ticket in the mail to everyone who drove the higher speed this morning.

[Shredder87]

But I'm more disturbed that our federal government is continuing to waste time on this matter.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!!
Baseball is more of an important issue as say, our economic situation or the "war against terrorism".

[King_Nuthin]

The thing is if he bet on his team to win some nights but not every night was basically betting against them when he didn't bet. At the very least bookies knew this and could adjust their odds accordingly to Rose's betting patterns. I think Rose belongs in the Hall based on his playing days, they may as well erect a wing of the thing for all the players who are going to come in under cloudy circumstances anyways along with the pros and cons of their case.