Battle of the Bands: Pink Floyd vs. Tool

[TheBends]

Ok the question is...

Do more people who have listened to classic rock (where every twelve year old starts) or more people who have listened to all music and found they like hard rock styles or TOOL (all capitals by the way) to be better than pink floyd go to this forum.

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People who listen to sounds (TOOL) or People who listen to words (Pink Floyd)

[Jhail83]

Pink Floyd has...
Piper at the Gates of Dawn - 4/5
Saucer Full of Secrets - 5/5
More - 3/5
UmmaGumma - 3.5/5
Atom Heart Mother - 4.3/5
Meddle - 5/5
Obscurred by Clouds - 3.5/5
Dark Side of the Moon - 5/5
Wish you Were Here - 6/5
Animals - 6/5
The Wall - 5/5
The Final Cut - 4/5
Momentary Lapse of Reason - 4/5
The Division Bell - 4.5/5

Live Albums
Delicate Sound of Thunder - 3.5/5
Pulse - 4/5
Is anybody out there? - 5/5
Live 66-67 - 3/5
and not to mention all the live dvds that are incredible.

Tool has

Undertow - 3.5/5
Aenima - 4/5
Lateralus - 5/5
30,00 days - 3.75/5

I like both, but I am going with Floyd.

Like I said above, PinkFloyd has so much more great material out than Tool does so Tool has some catching up to do. I like both bands, but it's not even close right now. Floyd has made great music with 3 different geniuses running the show...That is just amazing.

[TheBEAST205]

LOL

Robert Fripp himself said that he doesn't hear Tool's "references" of his band...and that he is himself a Tool fan.

TMV is a solid band, but more noise != more "innovative."

And once again, it's like comparing apples to oranges, because TMV is a lot more experimental...it's really a different kind of prog than Tool. I think Tool explores darker and more groove based music, but in terms of being prog, it's the almost classical composition of their music. TMV is more prog because of the fact that they fuse so many genres of music together.

Also, Tool is a band that has transformed immensely from their early days when they were basically grunge metal to a more progressive / art rock style.

TMV's experimentalism goes much further beyond the use of guitar effects. It's how they incorporate different play styles into songs.

TMV also uses "classical" compositions as well. The song "Cassandra Gemini" is a 33 minute long song and goes through different movements, almost like GYBE! on crack. In fact, if you listen to demos of the song and hear it played without effects it's considerably more noticeable.

Lastly, what really doesn't appeal to me about Tool is how "metal" they are. I know not everything they've ever done is like that, but I love TMV mostly because of the whole "jazz fusion" aspect. Just my thought.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Here's a bump. Sorry about that, but I want to respond to some posts.

im 100% for TOOL!! every1 who keeps saying they dont get them is probably cause they'ver never listened to any or one of their good songs... in my opinion julio made some poor chioces on the songs he posted videos for... Forty Six & 2, and H., are wayy better... Tool always has killer guitar and bass riffs, intense and powerful vocals and some insane drums... so just cause ur used to slow mellow stuff like pink floyd doesnt mean tool doesnt have brilliant music... how bout u listen to more than 30 seconds of one song before u judge whos better... i think tool is a way better rock band, but thats because i like tools style... i think pink floyd is extremely slow and puts me to sleep... money is probably the only song i like from them... every1 has different tastes in music... tool does not consist of fools, i like all ur name calling when u know nothing of the band... if u listened to even one songs lyrics u would realize they are far from fools and actually extremely intelligent... ive seen them sell millions of records... i hear u *****ing about them on a forum online... whos the fool?!

I agree. Just work on your grammar, spelling, capitalization, etc.

I'm sorry my friend, saying Tool is better than the Floyd is like saying that crap tastes good. Had it not been for Pink Floyd, then Tool wouldn't even have been conceived.

I personally think that, as far as modern prog. rock goes, that The Mars Volta is much better than Tool. TMV has been much more innovative than Tool in the fact that Tool uses so many King Crimson references it's as if they knocked on Robbert Fripp's door and asked for the compilations from Red and Discipline. Not that I think they're bad, I just don't really dig their stuff.

Oh, come on. Your opening statement and final sentence really contradict each other. I'm just going to respond to the first.

There may be somebody who does think crap is good. Something that tastes (sounds) horrible to you will sound great to someone else. That's why bands get big; they earn fans. Even if it's just people who only like one song because it's the new craze, they still think it's good. Sure, I may hate it, you may hate it, and someone else may hate it, but someone likes it, and that's why music has become such a huge part of human society.

Also, just because Pink Floyd was one of the original prog bands, it doesn't mean that Tool would not exist. "What if" statements are not really great arguments mainly because you don't know what would happen otherwise. If Pink Floyd didn't exist and every other progressive rock band before Tool didn't either, then maybe Tool would have been the band to start the genre. Who knows, really.

LOL

Robert Fripp himself said that he doesn't hear Tool's "references" of his band...and that he is himself a Tool fan.

TMV is a solid band, but more noise != more "innovative."

And once again, it's like comparing apples to oranges, because TMV is a lot more experimental...it's really a different kind of prog than Tool. I think Tool explores darker and more groove based music, but in terms of being prog, it's the almost classical composition of their music. TMV is more prog because of the fact that they fuse so many genres of music together.

Also, Tool is a band that has transformed immensely from their early days when they were basically grunge metal to a more progressive / art rock style.

Once again, I agree wholeheartedly and you have good grammar. Cookie for you.

*Gives cookie*

TMV's experimentalism goes much further beyond the use of guitar effects. It's how they incorporate different play styles into songs.

TMV also uses "classical" compositions as well. The song "Cassandra Gemini" is a 33 minute long song and goes through different movements, almost like GYBE! on crack. In fact, if you listen to demos of the song and hear it played without effects it's considerably more noticeable.

Lastly, what really doesn't appeal to me about Tool is how "metal" they are. I know not everything they've ever done is like that, but I love TMV mostly because of the whole "jazz fusion" aspect. Just my thought.

Well, the thing that Tool does to be progressive is use really odd time signatures and other stuff like that. It's VERY unpredictable music. "Schism" contains, as stated by some analyzers, 47 time signature changes. That's not just switching between 3/4 and 4/4 time, that's going from 5/4 to 6/4 to 13/8 to 11/8. Even after listening to the song a bunch, I still sometimes find it difficult to figure out where the crescendos and other interesting parts are.

[Spiralout]

If anyone of you Pink Floyd lovers just interpret Schism for me, come on give it a shot, what pink floyd could do was to write a song called Hey You, or Money, or Wish You Were Here, amazing songs, no doubt, but they don't mean anything, just an expression of sorts. Tool writes stuff which has a thought behind them, a deeply entrenched belief and vision, and music is amazing..... 10000 days, Lateralus, Schism, Right In Two, Forty six and 2, they are trips, journeys..... not mere music.....

[Dude2012iffy]

The vs. is bs. A comparison is simply human nature and apples and oranges are comparative only in that they are fruit. IMHO I love them both. Though personal philosophies are different than those of the writers of the tunes that are claimed to have been listened to how can one understand what is being done without researching not only who the band members are but what is influencing their music and what they are portraying with it? (Too give some relation to time I sat on stage with Jefferson Airplane, Fairbanks, 1970.) If you are unwilling to take the time to relate the respective music exhibited by any band, understand the time it is written, what they are rebelling against and/or promoting then you are only receiving half (or less) of the impact of what is being presented and processing little of that. There is someone who said Pink Floyd puts them to sleep. Oh what a noisy mind you must have. Echoes of an ænima!

[XacharyCross]

I'd give an edge to Floyd, possibly just in sheer volume of material.

I find both absurdly overhyped and kind of choresome to listen to.

On the other debate.
Zeppelin > Floyd > The Who, but none of them crack my top 200.

[killer_roach]

This is an incredible necro-post... this thread was dead a year and a half before it was exhumed.

That being said, this one isn't even a question. Pink Floyd simply has a far higher volume of quality material.

If I wanted to say something a bit contrarian, though, I would mention that, of the combined discographies of both bands, I'd say my favorite album is Lateralus, but that doesn't do enough to put the rest of Tool's modestly-above-average discography ahead of Pink Floyd's mostly solid corpus.

[RuseBalaxin]

Found this thread by accident and you know what? I'm not voting for either one.
I hold both Pink Floyd and Tool in such high regard I simply cannot choose
one over the other.

For Pink Floyd there is no denial of their greatness, Dark Side of The Moon, Wish You Were Here & Animals are essential albums for any music aficionado.

For Tool, there is tremendous admiration and respect. Formed at a time
when grunge bands such as Nirvana were reaching popularity, the fact that Tool has weathered over a decade of hardships and continues to stay relevant is a true feat. Their albums Aenima, Lateralus & 10,000 Days
are testaments to their ever-evolving talent and dedication to their craft.

You can witness the difficulty in trying to create meaningful music in today's society just as it was some thirty years ago. Pink Floyd and Tool are equally amazing bands and the music world as we know it would not be complete without both of them.

[Shredder87]

I remember this back in the day.