Metallica - Load & ReLoad

[onduvalst]

I don't like load and reload cause it sucks. I don't care if they sellout or not.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Really explain Phish, Jimmy Buffett pre 5:00 somewhere, ICP, and hundreds of other singers/bands that do not get alot of airplay? See ya'll don't know life without MTV. Bands back in the day had to depend on word of mouth if the were not mainstream. The Ramones, Ny dolls, and acts coming out of the punk scene didn't recieve alot of airplay. Slayer, Pantera, and Metal do not recieve alot of airplay outside of MTV and Sat radio. When I was you age.... by the way ain't it past ya'lls bed time? When I was your age you had to go buy an album or hear about it from your friend who heard it from his friend. Thats how I learned about good music. Just cause it gets airplay doesn't make the thing good. I don't hear you singing the praises of Lou Bega.

Attacking our age (mostly the bed time comment) causes you to lose a lot of credibility. I had never listened to Metallica at all until about 4 months ago. The radio station I listen to is classic rock (not the classic rock stations that are now including grunge and alt) that only plays stuff as new as "Cliffs of Dover" from 1990. Word of mouth is how I found Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Kamelot (fantastic band), Rage Against the Machine, etc. I don't watch MTV. I had and still have NO exposure to the mainstream. Age does not equal ignorance. You should figure that out.

[Zidane]

Hey, uh, how long until you decide who gives the best reason? I mean, I'll take the 50 bucks in XBL pts.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Hey, uh, how long until you decide who gives the best reason? I mean, I'll take the 50 bucks in XBL pts.

I'll give it a couple days . My job interview is on Wednesday, so if it goes well I may actually follow through on the $50 thing. You never know...

[onduvalst]

No ignorance equals ignorance. I don't think 4 months of Metallic equals the knowledge of 20 years of Metallic. So you may not like it but your age makes a huge difference when it comes to experience.

[polishdog90]

No ignorance equals ignorance. I don't think 4 months of Metallic equals the knowledge of 20 years of Metallic. So you may not like it but your age makes a huge difference when it comes to experience.

I don't think that the amount of time you listen to a band is going to make you more or less musically ignorant. You like what you like.

[zDisturbedOnez]

I will take a stab at this one with my own personal reasons why I hate everything post the "Black Album". Load and Re-load did not have the same aggression and passion (for a lack of a better word) that the earlier stuff had. Once James and Lars lost full control over producing their albums and Bob Rock took over things changed. Bob Rock convinced James and Lars that what they thought of a good track (and their early fans) was not the best way to convey their message to the masses.

This brings in the sell out debate. Did they? Maybe. But I feel they made a business decision to change their style to appeal to a wider audience to sell more CD's. Is this a bad thing? Depends on the person. In my case yes it was a bad thing, I did not want to hear the mainstream commericialized music that was overplayed on the air in those days. So, when Metallica climbed aboard I was angry and upset. For the guys in the band it was great, they were selling more CD's than ever and enjoy the fruits of their hardwork. More power to them, but as a fan of the early stuff I was left scratching my head and moved on to other bands. From that point Metallica lost me as a fan.

And the last thing that really, really got me was Lars and his high and mighty attitude. He feels that he is a god, and his opinion is the sole opinion that matters. When they took on Napster, (whether they were right or not), his whole demeanor towards people that were downloading their music were criminals, and as a result disenfrachised a bunch of people in the process. For me his head got to big for his own good, while his drumset got smaller. Success has changed them all, and that is not neccessarily a good thing. The only one that I want to see have success is Jason, the rest well time will tell.

[FourstringOrion]

at onduvalst:

Age doesn't matter at all! someone who listen's to a band for 4 month's can have just as much experiance listening to that band as someone who has been listening to them for 20 years... so in your reasoning i can never know as much about a band that say has one album after listening to that one album for 1 year as opposed to you 20 years? your just ignorant...

[onduvalst]

at onduvalst:

Age doesn't matter at all! someone who listen's to a band for 4 month's can have just as much experiance listening to that band as someone who has been listening to them for 20 years... so in your reasoning i can never know as much about a band that say has one album after listening to that one album for 1 year as opposed to you 20 years? your just ignorant...

First of all it does matter and no matter how you try to convince yourself otherwise you can not duplicate experience. This thread is about why people do or do not like load and reload. My experience leads me to feel that these albums are certianly not Metallica's finest moments. I have had the joy of hearing their music in the context of the bands history. Hearing a song 10 15 20 years ago is different than hearing it for the first time 20 years later. There has been so many different bands and events since I heard them and now some of you are hearing them. That makes a huge difference in your perception of how different or influential a band is.

[FourstringOrion]

This topic went from civil music discusion to "im right your wrong" flame fest real fast.. lets just all agree that all of us have different views