Randomly Crap Out Your Opinions Thread

[TheCrimsonSaint]

I highly disagree because NWOBHM was coined after the fact. None of them received mainstream attention and most were on completely seperate labels.

The phrase was started by Sounds magazine in Britain, and while it was after the fact, most NWOBHM bands will say that it was really just a way to pry people away from punk. I didn't say it was a particularly successful marketing technique.

[Onslaught_fei]

Now that I think more, NWOBHM was more of a scene.

They all share similiar musical characteristics that did not exist at the time. I mean, yeah Newcastle England is considered the home of NWOBHM but it inspired everything from Brazil's Sepultura, San Francisco's Metallica, New York's Anthrax, and Germany's Kreator in the early 80s.

[Gowienczyk]

Nu-Metal is a subculture, it has no musical connotations to being similar in any aspects between bands besides playing in a rock structure. You cannot give me a detailed, explanatory on why nu-metal is a genre to me.

It's a subculture (just like many movements).

[DrBekl]

As of recently my favorite Zeppelin song has become Gallows Pole. Is this weird?

[Onslaught_fei]

Nu-Metal is a subculture, it has no musical connotations to being similar in any aspects between bands besides playing in a rock structure. You cannot give me a detailed, explanatory on why nu-metal is a genre to me.

It's a subculture (just like many movements).

Weve been through this before, here: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showt...hlight=numetal

It is silly to think they are hard rock and are a part of the same genre of bands like Van Halen, AC/DC, and ZZ Top. They are not pure hard rock, pure heavy metal, or pure whatever. They are numetal. I mean, we could argue the lack of similarties and differences in "indie rock" and "alternative" bands too.

[Gowienczyk]

Weve been through this before, here: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showt...hlight=numetal

It is silly to think they are hard rock and are a part of the same genre of bands like Van Halen, AC/DC, and ZZ Top. They are not pure hard rock, pure heavy metal, or pure whatever. They are numetal. I mean, we could argue the lack of similarties and differences in "indie rock" and "alternative" bands too.

Stop being devil's advocate, bro.

Hard Rock has updated itself with the times, it's very apparent in any hard rock band in the 90s and 80s (Fishbone, Faith No More, Helmet, etc.) - very rough rock formula updated to a more 'urban' feel and new approach.

Music evolves over time.

For example. Blues-Rock of today sounds nothing like the Blues-Rock of the 60s.

/argument

[Onslaught_fei]

Stop being devil's advocate, bro.

Hard Rock has updated itself with the times, it's very apparent in any hard rock band in the 90s and 80s (Fishbone, Faith No More, Helmet, etc.) - very rough rock formula updated to a more 'urban' feel and new approach.

Music evolves over time.

For example. Blues-Rock of today sounds nothing like the Blues-Rock of the 60s.

/argument

Hard rock has rap? I mean we discussed how there are modern bands still applying the same style of late 70s and 80s hard rock. There is far less similarity in Airbourne than comparissons between Slipknot and Korn. I mean, if numetal is not a genre because of all the wide musical differentiations between claimed bands than hard rock is less so if Limp Bizkit is lumped in with ZZ Top.

[Gowienczyk]

Hard rock has rap? I mean we discussed how there are modern bands still applying the same style of late 70s and 80s hard rock. There is far less similarity in Airbourne than comparissons between Slipknot and Korn. I mean, if numetal is not a genre because of all the wide musical differentiations between claimed bands than hard rock is less so if Limp Bizkit is lumped in with ZZ Top.

Very few nu-metal bands adapt hip-hop to it's influences. Even fewer use rapping. Those bands fall into the rap-rock/rapcore vein of subgenres. So yeah. Nu-Metal is as I've said a billion times; a subculture that encompasses several modernized subgenres.

Also; the Jet, Airbourne, Wolfmother argument; those bands are throwback bands (or "retro" revival in the media) so those aren't in the grand scheme of things the modern-style of hard rock.

[Onslaught_fei]

Very few nu-metal bands adapt hip-hop to it's influences. Even fewer use rapping. Those bands fall into the rap-rock/rapcore vein of subgenres. So yeah. Nu-Metal is as I've said a billion times; a subculture that encompasses several modernized subgenres.

Korn, Mushroomhead, Linkin Park, Slipknot, and Limp Bizkit all have hip hop influences. I mean, Slipknot has tried to downplay it lately but they have always had and still do have turntables, even on their latest album. You are going to have to explain the "Very few nu-metal bands adapt hip-hop to it's influences." line because I just named a lot of the major culprits.

I agree that genres change but when they do they usually get a prefix. Look at the bands that came after the original hardcore bands? Post-hardcore. Look at the wave of metal bands that came after 80s thrash? Post-thrash. Look at the wave of pseudo hard rock/metal bands that came after the 80s/early 90s? Numetal.

[Gowienczyk]

Korn, Mushroomhead, Linkin Park, Slipknot, and Limp Bizkit all have hip hop influences. I mean, Slipknot has tried to downplay it lately but they have always had and still do have turntables, even on their latest album. You are going to have to explain the "Very few nu-metal bands adapt hip-hop to it's influences." line because I just named a lot of the major culprits.

I agree that genres change but when they do they usually get a prefix. Look at the bands that came after the original hardcore bands? Post-hardcore. Look at the wave of metal bands that came after 80s thrash? Post-thrash. Look at the wave of pseudo hard rock/metal bands that came after the 80s/early 90s? Numetal.

1) Post-Hardcore existed in the 80s; alongside hardcore because as the name implied; it took hardcore and progressed it so far it was somewat unrecognizeable. Notice how post-rock does that to rock? Yeah, bad attempt to use post-hardcore on the post-hardcore fan.

2) Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park began as rap-rock bands! RAP-ROCK. That means they take hip-hop's rapping and maybe some of it's other ensembles into a rock structure and base. Yeah, debunked you there.

3) Mushroomhead, Slipknot and KoRn have really minor and boy do I mean minor, when it comes to hip-hop; as a big hip-hop enthusiast I honestly can say this without much thought. Also; KoRn always wanted to be a Faith No More clone and the others were trying to... well, heck if I know what they were. But hip-hop wasn't a huge basis with them.

4) DSO uses swing jazz in their progressive metal music, yet they aren't "jazz-metal" so that whole one influence makes a genre isn't a good base for your debate.